Oaks
1. Operetta Lass
2. Serenade Rose
3. Alberghetti
4. Flora Danica

Subs
Empress Lily
Beauty Watch

Galaxy
1. Mustard
2. Black Ink
3. Media
4. California Dane

Subs
Dance the Waves
Motspur

Serenade Rose
Operatta Lass
Flora Danica
Beauty watch

(empress Lilly,Alberghetti)

Black Ink
California Dane
Magically
Crimson Reign

(Media, Motspur)

galaxy

california dane
mustard
media
our sweet moss
motspur
magically

oaks
serenade rose
operatta lass
anapine
beauty watch
empress lily
floria danica

Serenade Rose
Alberghetti
Empress Lily
Beauty Watch
sub.Falsetto

Century Serb
Magically
Motspur
Strada
sub. Dance The Waves

Chuck's tips:

Oaks:
Serenade Rose
Beauty Watch
Empress Lily
Flora Danica
----------
Operetta Lass

Galaxy:
California Dane
Century Serb
Magically
Media

RAND R5-3.00 EMIRATES AJC AUSTRALIAN OAKS 2400 M
1 SERENADE ROSE - Lee Freedman G Boss 9 55.5
3 EMPRESS LILY - Lee Freedman Z Purton 8 55.5
2 FLORA DANICA - Kris Lees D Beadman 5 55.5
4 BEAUTY WATCH - Gai Waterhouse C Williams 7 55.5

5 ANAPINE - Gai Waterhouse M Rodd 3 55.5
7 FALSETTO (NZ) - Graeme Rogerson J Cassidy 1 55.5

RAND R6-3.40 EMIRATES GALAXY 1100 M
1 CALIFORNIA DANE - Lee Freedman D Beadman 4 56.5
7 MEDIA - Bob Thomsen M Rodd 13 55
10 OUR SWEET MOSS - Gerald Ryan D McLellan 5 54
13 STRADA - Gai Waterhouse Z Purton 15 53.5

5 MUSTARD - John McNair J Cassidy 3 55.5
6 PROPRIETOR - Paul Perry S Baster 8 55.5

Race 5

1. Serenade Rose
6. Operetta Lass
5. Anapine
4. Beauty Watch

Then 3.Empress Lily, 7.Falsetto

Race 6

12.Motspur
13.Strada
7. Media
14.Magically

Then 1.California Dane, 11.Century Serb

How am I going to sneak away from work to watch these?

Cheers,

H.

OAKS

1 - Serade Moral
4 - Beauty Watch
3 - Empress Lily
2 - Flora Danica

res - Albergetti


GALAXY

1 - California Moral
14 - Magically
7 - Media
10 - Our Sweet Moss

res - Proprietor

Serenade Rose
Operetta Lass
Beauty Watch
Empress Lily
----------
Flora Danica
Anapine


California Dane
Magically
Motspur
Black Ink
----------
Our Sweet Moss
Media

oaks
1 SERENADE ROSE
9 ALBERGHETTI
2 FLORA DANICA
8 FANCYFREE

galaxy
9 CRIMSON REIGN
14 MAGICALLY
1 CALIFORNIA DANE
12 MOTSPUR

California Dane
Crimson Reign
Magically
Media


Serenade Rose
Empress Lily
Operetta Lass
Beauty Watch

Wow. No one picked the winner of the second race.

Sportz said that cos I had the winner as my reserve, I get a bonus 50 points.

Duritz,

I doubt Sportz said that .... He likes to stick to the rules.

You caught up a bit today in the first race ... your a definite chance to win this anyway.

Good Luck.

Nah in all seriousness you're very likely home Wesmip.

If I misss one winner and you hit it you will catch up and probably overtake me. But if I pick the same as you every time .... :)

LOL - in that case, I'll put in four roughies, you'll copy, and at the last minute change to my real picks, and EUREKA!!

I'll claim bragging rights for being the only punter who DIDN'T have Californian Dane listed [The lay of the day]. Out of condt. and not up to it.

...... watch the roughies come home 1-2-3-4. :D

Today:

97.5 . Horse Whisperer
92.5 . Duritz
92.5 . Chuck
90.0 . wesmip1
87.5 . maverick1993
85.0 . Heavyweight
85.0 . Kiwi
80.0 . Jim Curran
80.0 . Raw Instinct
75.0 . Real Deal
70.0 . Sportz
65.0 . Goldcoaster
65.0 . Crash
65.0 . davez

Overall:

967.5 . wesmip1
892.5 . Duritz
827.5 . mad
800.0 . Heavyweight
800.0 . Real Deal
777.5 . Testarossa
752.5 . xptdriver
742.5 . Horse Whisperer
742.5 . Goldcoaster
740.0 . Jim Curran
667.5 . Sportz
640.0 . maverick1993
627.5 . Chuck
595.0 . Raw Instinct
582.5 . Leroy
572.5 . Crash
527.5 . Kiwi
520.0 . Rabbitz
497.5 . Sirpent
370.0 . smidgin
365.0 . davez
275.0 . luv2bet
245.0 . Victim2005
217.5 . Burnt Offering
137.5 . Panther
55.0 . Michael
55.0 . ijuanaQLD
40.0 . william
15.0 . Imagele

I have to remember these midweek comps grrrrrrrrrr

Looks like its down to you and me Duritz.

I'll get my tips in early if possible to give you a sporting chance....

Good to see you caught up today by 2.5 points ....

lol yeah I know, a measly 2.5 points.

Bit dirty on myself about Proprietor. He rated 115 three runs back behind Takeover Target, was a great run, have been following him closely since but today only gave him 112 instead, which made him 5th pick, priced him $16. He's obviously gone 115 and won. I should have given him 114 at least, 112 was too much penalty just b/c of one poorer run LS. Need to be more forgiving of one bad one.

Durtiz,

Sorry about the late reply but been at Poker all night (came 12th).


I never had Proprietor in my top 6-7 of the race at all. Why did you rate him so high (apart from his run behind takeover target) ? Also roughly how long does it take you to rate the race ?

Good Luck.

You and me both XPT, i had Proprietor on top from Media in the Galaxy and the first 3 in order in the oaks

Saturday's races:

RAND R5 CHAMPAGNE STAKES 1600 M
1 DOWN THE WICKET - Gary Portelli L Beasley 4 56.5
2 EMPIRES CHOICE (NZ) - Bart Cummings M Rodd 6 56.5
3 MENTALITY - John Hawkes D Beadman 1 56.5
4 MY MIDDI - Marc Conners Ms K O'Hara (a) 2 56.5
5 BACKDRAFT - Gai Waterhouse Z Purton 7 56.5
6 THE ONE (NZ) - Michael Moroney G Childs 8 56.5
7 MISS FINLAND - David Hayes C Williams 10 54.5
8 DE LAGO MIST - David Hayes G Boss 11 54.5
9 ULFAH - David Hayes J Cassidy 9 54.5
10 GALLANT TESS - David Payne H Bowman 3 54.5
11 PLAYGROUND EXPRESS - Kelly Schweida D Beasley 5 54.5

RAND R6 QUEEN ELIZABETH STAKES 2000 M
1 EREMEIN - Allan Denham G Boss 6 58
2 ROMAN ARCH - Robbie Laing N Callow 9 58
3 DESERT WAR - Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 5 58
4 ABOVE DECK - Jim Conlan M J Zahra 2 58
5 MEN AT WORK (NZ) - John O'Shea H Bowman 3 58
6 CASUAL PASS - Mathew Ellerton Z Purton 1 58
7 AQUA D'AMORE - Gai Waterhouse D Beasley 4 55.5
8 IKE'S DREAM - John Hawkes D Beadman 7 55.5
9 DE BEERS (NZ) - David Hayes C Williams 8 54.5

RAND R7 SYDNEY CUP 3200 M
1 ENVOY (NZ) - Ken Kelso G Cooksley 13 56.5
2 ON A JEUNE - Peter Montgomerie K McEvoy 15 56.5
3 LACHLAN RIVER (NZ) - John Morrisey G Colless 10 56
4 COUNTY TYRONE - Kris Lees J Cassidy 8 55.5
5 DEMERGER - Danny O'Brien S W Arnold 12 55
6 FOORAM (NZ) - John O'Shea D Beadman 2 53.5 0.5
7 ZABEAT (NZ) - Donna Logan O Doleuze 9 53.5
8 DANEBAR - Terry Robinson Z Purton 3 53
9 THREE CHIMNEYS (NZ) - David Haworth G Boss 6 53
10 AL'S FLYER - Mick Hood T Clark (a) 5 52
11 CROSS BAR (NZ) - Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 4 52
12 MOLOTOV - Jim Conlan M J Zahra 14 52
13 NO WINE NO SONG - Kevin Moses D Beasley 1 52
14 COLMAINE - Diane Poidevin-Laine J Innes 11 51.5
15 NOT FUSSY - Brian Heffernan J Ford 7 51.5

Champagne Stakes
De Lago Mist
Miss Finland
Mentality
Ulfah

Queen Elizabeth Stakes
Men At Work
Eremein
Roman Arch
De Beers

Cup
Zarbeet
Demerger
Fooram
Three Chimneys

Hi Wesmip - I rated him high because he deserved it on the 115 behind TTarget. Also, in the run behind Falkirk, he was on the worst going on the inside division. Video comment that day - "joint led inside div (worst side) even tempo,accelerated - lead that division 2 lengths 300, maintained that well but on wrong part of track. Won inside div by 2.3L. " Nice run on bad going, rated 109 but obviously suffered due to that. He then failed in Sydney (at Warwick Farm though, diferent kettle of fish to Randwick), rating 107 that day. I assessed him at 112, and had him priced $16 in fifth spot. If I'd allowed him the full 115 from behind TTarget he'd have been 2nd pick, only slightly behind California Dane. I should have given him 114, 3 points was too big a penalty for one bad run. Oh well, live and learn.

As to your second query, I can spend up to an hour on a race, or I could rush through it in five minutes, because I have their ratings and video comments. Ideally I like to spend about 45 mins on a race.

Good luck Wesmip.

I think the NZ horses are starting to look good and take our measure. We haven't got much serious talent going around because our breeding industry is a mess, mostly producing overpriced rubbish from weak bloodlines with poor SR records from what they are producing. Fooram [NZ] walked in last start which wasn't a bad measuring stick of the Kiwi talent. Zabeet[NZ] might be the one to catch and Fooram's odds will be poor value. Miss Finland is heading places and Men at Work [NZ] might show Eremin up whose odds will be pathetic.

It all seems a bit of a dart throw with Group races this year. Shocking betting propositions except perhaps for exotics. A bookies picnic usually as how many surprises have we seen win these big races at big odds? Enough for a win punter to be well into loss chasing Group wins. How much money has been done by punters on Lad of the Manor in all his failures and he is only one of the disappointments. Our whole breeding industry needs one hell of a shake up. Too many rich idiots around who know nothing about race horses. They will buy anything and at stupid prices and as long as that goes on the industry is going to continue to sink into mediocrity.

Makabe Diva was a Champion because there was no compitition to compete against. 10-15 years ago she wouldn't have had half the runs on the board she ended up with.

RAND R5 CHAMPAGNE STAKES 1600 M
11 PLAYGROUND EXPRESS - Kelly Schweida D Beasley 5 54.5
7 MISS FINLAND - David Hayes C Williams 10 54.5
1 DOWN THE WICKET - Gary Portelli L Beasley 4 56.5
5 BACKDRAFT - Gai Waterhouse Z Purton 7 56.5

RES: 8 DE LAGO MIST - David Hayes G Boss 11 54.5
9 ULFAH - David Hayes J Cassidy 9 54.5

RAND R6 QUEEN ELIZABETH STAKES 2000 M
1 EREMEIN - Allan Denham G Boss 6 58
5 MEN AT WORK (NZ) - John O'Shea H Bowman 3 58
3 DESERT WAR - Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 5 58
7 AQUA D'AMORE - Gai Waterhouse D Beasley 4 55.5

RES: 6 CASUAL PASS - Mathew Ellerton Z Purton 1 58
9 DE BEERS (NZ) - David Hayes C Williams 8 54.5

RAND R7 SYDNEY CUP 3200 M
2 ON A JEUNE - Peter Montgomerie K McEvoy 15 56.5
6 FOORAM (NZ) - John O'Shea D Beadman 2 53.5 0.5
12 MOLOTOV - Jim Conlan M J Zahra 14 52
7 ZABEAT (NZ) - Donna Logan O Doleuze 9 53.5

RES: 3 LACHLAN RIVER (NZ) - John Morrisey G Colless 10 56
5 DEMERGER - Danny O'Brien S W Arnold 12 55

RAND R5 CHAMPAGNE STAKES 1600 M
1 DOWN THE WICKET - Gary Portelli L Beasley 4 56.5
2 EMPIRES CHOICE (NZ) - Bart Cummings M Rodd 6 56.5
7 MISS FINLAND - David Hayes C Williams 10 54.5
8 DE LAGO MIST - David Hayes G Boss 11 54.5

RAND R6 QUEEN ELIZABETH STAKES 2000 M
1 EREMEIN - Allan Denham G Boss 6 58
3 DESERT WAR - Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 5 58
5 MEN AT WORK (NZ) - John O'Shea H Bowman 3 58
9 DE BEERS (NZ) - David Hayes C Williams 8 54.5

RAND R7 SYDNEY CUP 3200 M
3 LACHLAN RIVER (NZ) - John Morrisey G Colless 10 56
5 DEMERGER - Danny O'Brien S W Arnold 12 55
6 FOORAM (NZ) - John O'Shea D Beadman 2 53.5 0.5
12 MOLOTOV - Jim Conlan M J Zahra 14 52

Gee Crash, tell us what you really think!

Yeah, don't hold back.

hey guys, at an internet cafe. Weather in Qld is TERRIBLE - caught in cyclone! :p

NEW TIPS:
Champagne:
Empires Choice
Down the Wicket
De Lago Mist
Miss Finland
sub mentality

QE:
Eremein
Casual Pass
Desert War
Ike's Dream
sub aqua

syd cup:
envoy
on a jeune
demerger
fooram
sub Lachlan

snitzel
paratroopers
dance hero
shania dane

miss finland
down the wicket
de lago mist
ulfah

eremin
Aqua damore
casual pass
above deck

molotov
fooram
on a juene
three chimneys

Subs for all races will go in TAB numbers so start with 1 and work way down to you hit a free number and that will be the sub.

RAND R5 CHAMPAGNE STAKES 1600 M
7 MISS FINLAND - David Hayes C Williams 10 54.5
1 DOWN THE WICKET - Gary Portelli L Beasley 4 56.5
10 GALLANT TESS - David Payne H Bowman 3 54.5
3 MENTALITY - John Hawkes D Beadman 1 56.5

Reserves:
8 DE LAGO MIST - David Hayes G Boss 11 54.5
2 EMPIRES CHOICE (NZ) - Bart Cummings M Rodd 6 56.5
4 MY MIDDI - Marc Conners Ms K O'Hara (a) 2 56.5

RAND R6 QUEEN ELIZABETH STAKES 2000 M
1 EREMEIN - Allan Denham G Boss 6 58
3 DESERT WAR - Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 5 58
9 DE BEERS (NZ) - David Hayes C Williams 8 54.5
8 IKE'S DREAM - John Hawkes D Beadman 7 55.5

Reserves:
7 AQUA D'AMORE - Gai Waterhouse D Beasley 4 55.5
2 ROMAN ARCH - Robbie Laing N Callow 9 58
6 CASUAL PASS - Mathew Ellerton Z Purton 1 58


RAND R7 SYDNEY CUP 3200 M
4 COUNTY TYRONE - Kris Lees J Cassidy 8 55.5
5 DEMERGER - Danny O'Brien S W Arnold 12 55
3 LACHLAN RIVER (NZ) - John Morrisey G Colless 10 56
6 FOORAM (NZ) - John O'Shea D Beadman 2 53.5 0.5

Reserves:
10 AL'S FLYER - Mick Hood T Clark (a) 5 52
2 ON A JEUNE - Peter Montgomerie K McEvoy 15 56.5
1 ENVOY (NZ) - Ken Kelso G Cooksley 13 56.5

I have thrown in Al's flyer as first reserve as I know the trainer and it has a chance of running a placing in this race, but it is only a very slight chance.

Couldn't give it to Duritz too easy.....

Gday Testa

I wasn't goin that good to find Propretor... BUT Serenade Rose had to be about the bet of the year in the Oaks... ah well we will see how this lot go:

CHAMPAGNE

22/04/2006 2:10 RANDWICK 5 5 BACKDRAFT
22/04/2006 2:10 RANDWICK 5 7 MISS FINLAND
22/04/2006 2:10 RANDWICK 5 9 ULFAH
22/04/2006 2:10 RANDWICK 5 8 DE LAGO MIST

Reserves

22/04/2006 2:10 RANDWICK 5 4 MY MIDDI
22/04/2006 2:10 RANDWICK 5 6 THE ONE


QUEEN ELIZABETH

22/04/2006 2:50 RANDWICK 6 1 EREMEIN
22/04/2006 2:50 RANDWICK 6 9 DE BEERS
22/04/2006 2:50 RANDWICK 6 3 DESERT WAR
22/04/2006 2:50 RANDWICK 6 7 AQUA D'AMORE

Reserves

22/04/2006 2:50 RANDWICK 6 4 ABOVE DECK
22/04/2006 2:50 RANDWICK 6 5 MEN AT WORK


SYDNEY CUP

22/04/2006 3:30 RANDWICK 7 6 FOORAM
22/04/2006 3:30 RANDWICK 7 12 MOLOTOV
22/04/2006 3:30 RANDWICK 7 5 DEMERGER
22/04/2006 3:30 RANDWICK 7 15 NOT FUSSY


Reserves

22/04/2006 3:30 RANDWICK 7 7 ZABEAT
22/04/2006 3:30 RANDWICK 7 9 THREE CHIMNEYS

Champagne
Miss Finland
Mentality
mpires Choice
DE Lago Mist
(Playground Express,Ulfah)

QE Stakes
Eremein
Desert War
Men At Work
Above Deck
(De Beers, Aqua D More)

Sydney Cup
Lachlan River
Fooram
Demerger
Molotov
(Crossbar, County Tyrone)

All Aged
Paratroopers
Dance Hero
Snitzel
Shania Dane
(Regal Cheer, Niconero)

Champagne Stakes
1. Gallant Tess
2. Down the Wicket
3. Mentality
4. Miss Finland

Subs
My Middi
De Lago Mist

Queen Elizabeth
1. Eremein
2. De Beers
3. Casual Pass
4. Aqua D'Amore

Subs
Roman Arch
Men At Work

Sydney Cup
1. Lachlan River
2. Envoy
3. Fooram
4. Three Chimneys

Subs
Demerger
County Tyrone

CHAMPAGNE
7 MISS FINLAND
5 BACKDRAFT
1 DOWN THE WICKET
3 MENTALITY
SUBS 8,9

QE STAKES
1 EREMEIN
5 MEN AT WORK
6 CASUAL PASS
2 ROMAN ARCH
SUBS 3,6

SYDNEY CUP
6 FOORAM
3 LACHLAN RIVER
2 ON A JEUNE
4 COUNTY TYRONE
SUBS 12,13

LEROY