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DR RON 11th March 2005 02:50 PM

Melb r6

3 Alinghi
1 fastnet rock
9 not a single doubt
7 foreplay
6 dont tell tom
4 keeinsky

Syd r7
1 jymcarew
4 cheval de troy
3 eremein
2 outback prince
10 nevis
5 ulysses

La Mer 11th March 2005 03:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportz
This week's races:
FLEMINGTON R6-3.15 SEPPELT WINES NEWMARKET HANDICAP 1200 M
ROSEHILL R7-4.15 DUBAI ROSEHILL GUINEAS 2000 M

Flemington Race 6
Alinghi $3.20
Fastnet Rock $3.60
Not a Single Doubt $7.50
Foreplay $10.00
General Bayton $13.50
Our Quivira $17.50

Rosehill Race 7
Eremein $3.50
Jymcarew $4.60
Dignity Prince $6.00
Outback Prince $8.00
Cheval de Troy $11.00
Svenska $14.50

QuickFunBet 11th March 2005 10:27 PM

Ratings Challenge
 
Flemington Race 6
3. Alinghi
7. Foreplay
6. Don't Tell Tom
1. Fastnet Rock
10. Our Quivira
9. Not A Single Doubt (1st Res)
8. General Bayton (2nd Res)

Rosehill Race 7
10. Nevis
1. Jymcarew
4. Cheval De Troy
3. Eremein
2. Outback Prince
8. High Cee (1st Res)
6. Svenska (2nd Res)

Thanks,
QFB

Jimmy 12th March 2005 07:46 AM

Seppelt Wines Newmarket Hcp

3 Alinghi
1 Fastnet Rock
9 Not A Single Doubt
7 Foreplay
6 Don't Tell Tom

Res 8 General Bayton, 4 Keeninsky

Dubai Rosehill Guineas

3 Eremein
1 Jymcarew
4 Cheval De Troy
2 Outback Prince
10 Nevis

Res 6 Svenska, 5 Ulysses

the mug 12th March 2005 08:21 AM

Flemington R6

3-Alinghi 2.70
1-Fastnet Rock 4.7
4-Keeninsky 6.7
7-Foreplay 8.10
9- Not a single doubt 13.0


Rosehill R7

1-Jymcarew 3.8
3- Eremein 3.8
2-Outback Prince 5.7
4-Cheval De Troy 6.7
7- Dignity Prince 9.5

Cheers all

Duritz 12th March 2005 09:07 AM

OK 80% odds here

FLE 6 3.15
seln mgn price name
1 0.0 $3.6 FASTNET ROCK-NZ
3 0.5 $4.7 ALINGHI
7 1.8 $11.3 FOREPLAY
5 1.8 $11.5 DANBIRD
4 2.5 $25.2 KEENINSKY-NZ
6 2.8 $34.4 DONT TELL TOM

ROS 7 4.15
seln mgn price name
2 0.0 $5.5 OUTBACK PRINCE
3 0.0 $5.5 EREMEIN
4 0.0 $5.5 CHEVAL DE TRO-NZ
1 1.0 $8.4 JYMCAREW
6 2.0 $14.8 SVENSKA
10 2.7 $23.7 NEVIS

An extra one there in each leg in case of late scratchings.

xptdriver 12th March 2005 09:30 AM

Gday All

back for another challenge... lets see how we go..

Race 7 - DUBAI ROSEHILL GUINEAS
2 $3.2 OUTBACK PRINCE
1 $4.2 JYMCAREW
3 $5.7 EREMEIN
4 $9.9 CHEVAL DE TROY
5 $24.4 ULYSSES


Race 6 - SEPPELT WINES NEWMARKET HCP
3 $2.4 ALINGHI
1 $4.3 FASTNET ROCK
2 $5.7 SPECIAL HARMONY
4 $18.4 KEENINSKY
9 $29.9 NOT A SINGLE DOUBT

Sportz 12th March 2005 10:11 AM

FLEM R6
3 ALINGHI (80.0) $2.00
1 FASTNET ROCK (78.0) $3.10
7 FOREPLAY (72.0) $19.60
9 NOT A SINGLE DOUBT (70.5) $24.50
6 DON'T TELL TOM (70.0) $28.00
-----------------------
4 KEENINSKY (69.5) $28.00

ROSE R7
4 CHEVAL DE TROY (68.0) $2.60
3 EREMEIN (66.5) $3.50
1 JYMCAREW (65.0) $5.10
10 NEVIS (60.5) $15.90
2 OUTBACK PRINCE (59.5) $21.30
-----------------------
6 SVENSKA (54.5) $51.00

Top Rank 12th March 2005 10:30 AM

Will be away for next week. Would love to tip the Slipper winner one week out, but I just can't find it yet. Best of luck to you all.
Newmarket.

Alinghi
Fastnet Rock Hudson
Not A Single Doubt
Foreplay
Keeninsky

Rosehill Guineas

Eremein
Nevis
Jymcarew
Cheval De Troy
Outback Prince

Good Punting

kiwi 12th March 2005 11:03 AM

Rosehill R 7

2 $2.5 OUTBACK PRINCE
3 $3.5 EREMEIN
1 $5.4 JYMCAREW
4 $7.5 CHEVAL DE TRO-NZ
5 $9.3 Ulysses

Flemington R6

3 $2.4 ALINGHI
1 $4.3 FASTNET ROCk
9 $9.2 NOT A SINGLE DOUBT
6 $12. DON'T TELL TOM
5 $25 DANBIRD

Heavyweight 12th March 2005 12:45 PM

MR6

3.Alinghi $1.35
1.Fastnet Rock $8.00
9.Not a Single Doubt $13.00
8.General Bayton $31.00
7. Foreplay $61.00

then Danbird, Keeninsky, Don't Tell Tom

SR7

1.Jymcarew $2.65
3.Eremein $2.75
2.Outback Prince $11.00
4.Cheval de Troy $12.00
7.Dignity Prince $26.00

then Nevis, Ulysses, Svenska

Cheers,

H.

Sportz, are you having any success with tweaking your ratings so that the top picks don't come up so short? I had Lotterria at $1.40 last week and now Alinghi at $1.35. Common sense tells me they just shouldn't be so short. On the other hand, at least when I mark them so short I'm encouraged to bet with more confidence...

Sportz 12th March 2005 03:16 PM

Heavyweight,

Now that she's won, I guess $1.35 was okay, but you're right, she probably shouldn't have come up so short compared to Fastnet Rock.

How do you do ratings? In kgs, lengths or points? If you rate horses in kgs, then you could perhaps use this price conversion table that I use. I've been fiddling about with it trying to get it to produce more accurate prices and I think I might have it about right now:

Top rated horse = 100 points
0.5 kgs behind = 87 points
1.0 kgs behind = 75 points
1.5 kgs behind = 65 points
2.0 kgs behind = 57 points
2.5 kgs behind = 50 points
3.0 kgs behind = 45 points
3.5 kgs behind = 40 points
4.0 kgs behind = 36 points
4.5 kgs behind = 32 points
5.0 kgs behind = 28 points
5.5 kgs behind = 24 points
6.0 kgs behind = 20 points
6.5 kgs behind = 17 points
7.0 kgs behind = 14 points
7.5 kgs behind = 12 points
8.0 kgs behind = 10 points
8.5 kgs behind = 9 points
9.0 kgs behind = 8 points
9.5 kgs behind = 7 points
10+ kgs behind = 6 points
11+ kgs behind = 5 points
12+ kgs behind = 4 points
13+ kgs behind = 3 points
15+ kgs behind = 2 points
20+ kgs behind = 1 point

Here's what you do. After you've done your ratings, you refer to the table and award points to each horse depending on how many kgs behind the top rated horse you have them. After you've done that, add up all the points of every horse in the race to get a total. Then divide that total by each horse's score and that will give you a price for each runner. Here's an example:

#1 Rtg 65.0 = 2.0 kgs behind = 57 pts
#2 Rtg 63.0 = 4.0 kgs behind = 36 pts
#3 Rtg 61.5 = 5.5 kgs behind = 24 pts
#4 Rtg 60.5 = 6.5 kgs behind = 17 pts
#5 Rtg 67.0 = 0.0 kgs behind = 100 pts
#6 Rtg 61.5 = 5.5 kgs behind = 24 pts
#7 Rtg 59.5 = 7.5 kgs behind = 12 pts
#8 Rtg 64.5 = 2.5 kgs behind = 50 pts

The total of those points is 320, so you now divide 320 by each horse's score and do a bit of rounding up or down to get their prices:

#1 320/57 = $5.60
#2 320/36 = $8.90
#3 320/24 = $13.35
#4 320/17 = $18.80
#5 320/100 = $3.20
#6 320/24 = $13.80
#7 320/12 = $26.65
#8 320/50 = $6.40

Hope that helps. Of course if you don't rate in kgs, then it's probably not much use.

Sportz 12th March 2005 09:26 PM

This week:

Top Rank (70 + 70) 140
Sportz (77.5 + 55) 132.5
Jimmy (70 + 60) 130
Dr Ron (70 + 50) 120
La Mer (72.5 + 40) 112.5
QuickFunBet (62.5 + 50) 112.5
Duritz (72.5 + 37.5) 110
ubetido (55 + 55) 110
zorro (77.5 + 30) 107.5
Chrome Prince (70 + 37.5) 107.5
Heavyweight (70 + 35) 105
The mug (70 + 35) 105
xpt driver (60 + 35) 95
kiwi (55 + 37.5) 92.5


Overall:

Sportz 847.5
zorro 767.5
La Mer 757.5
Top Rank 755
Jimmy 735
QuickFunBet 700
Dr Ron 695
Duritz 667.5
Heavyweight 657.5
xpt driver 625
ubetido 602.5
The mug 530
Filante 510
Chrome Prince 487.5
Shaun 292.5
kiwi 287.5

Well done Top Rank. It'll be a shame if you can't post ratings next week.

Heavyweight 12th March 2005 10:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportz


Hope that helps. Of course if you don't rate in kgs, then it's probably not much use.

Thanks Sportz. Interesting table;thanks for sharing it. For this competition, I have been trying all sorts of things. Last week and today I rated them in Kgs and then converted them to prices using a similar table to yours, but sliding more steeply. Using your table gives me $1.50 Alinghi, $6.00 FNR, significantly closer to my gut feel of the right prices.

I had Alinghi 5.5kg ahead of FNR, mainly on the strength of superior strike rates and average earnings, particularly under today's conditions. I think I may be overdoing the bonuses for these factors, and in any case the approach seems a bit mechanical. It worked out in this case, but it doesn't often enough.

Anyway, thanks for your help. Another step forward...

Cheers,

H.

DR RON 13th March 2005 07:07 PM

To Sportz
 
I see there were a few good price winners in Sydney yeaterday that came from barrier 1.

Sportz 15th March 2005 11:02 AM

Yep! I had a great day. :D

I had $2 each way on River To The Sea purely because of the barrier, no other reason. Read the last post on this thread: http://forums.ozmium.com.au/showthr...60391#post60391

I also had $2 each way on Tui Song too, but that wasn't because of the barrier. It was tipped by Craig Tompson from Betbusters. Well done to him. Of course, the fact that it was starting from Barrier 1 was a bonus. I didn't back Kablammo in the last, but I did include it in my trifecta. :)

Sportz 15th March 2005 11:43 AM

This week's races:

ROSEHILL R5-2.20 THE BMW 2400 M
1 GRAND ARMEE Gai Waterhouse D Beasley 1 58
2 HUGS DANCER (FR) Tony McEvoy C Brown 2 58
3 COUNTY TYRONE Kris Lees H Bowman 10 58
4 ANOTHER WARRIOR Alan Bailey L Cassidy 3 58
5 MAHTOUM Kim Moore 9 58
6 MANAWA KING (NZ) Jim Conlan 7 58
7 SEUL AMOUR (NZ) Graeme Rogerson J Cassidy 5 57.5
8 MAKYBE DIVA (GB) Lee Freedman G Boss 8 55.5
9 VOUVRAY (NZ) Peter G Moody D Beadman 4 55
10 OUTBACK PRINCE Anthony Cummings 6 53
11 CHEVAL DE TROY (NZ) Colin Jillings R S Dye 11 53

ROSEHILL R7-3.55 AAMI GOLDEN SLIPPER 1200 M
1 SNITZEL Gerald Ryan G Boss 56.5
2 WRITTEN TYCOON Grahame Begg D Beasley 56.5
3 DOMESDAY John Hawkes C Brown 56.5
4 STRATUM Paul Perry L Beasley 56.5
5 UNDOUBTEDLY Mark Kavanagh D Dunn 56.5
6 SEIDNAZAR Peter G Moody L Nolen 56.5
7 FLYING PEGASUS David Payne D Nikolic 56.5
8 AL SAMER Tim Martin H Bowman 56.5
9 DR GREEN (NZ) Brian Jenkins R McLeod 56.5
10 FASHIONS AFIELD Gai Waterhouse C Munce 54.5
11 MEDIA Bob Thomsen R S Dye 54.5
12 MNEMOSYNE John Hawkes D Beadman 54.5
13 OPPORTUNITY (NZ) Tony Vasil D Oliver 54.5
14 PERMISSIVE Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 54.5
15 BLIZZARDLY Gai Waterhouse D McLellan 54.5
16 POETIC GENIUS Graeme Rogerson J Cassidy 54.5

I've put these up nice and early, so hopefully Top Rank can post some ratings this week. No barrier draw as yet for the Slipper.

Good luck. :)

Sportz 15th March 2005 12:50 PM

After the Slipper Barrier draw:

1 SNITZEL Gerald Ryan G Boss 12 56.5
2 WRITTEN TYCOON Grahame Begg D Beasley 14 56.5
3 DOMESDAY John Hawkes C Brown 4 56.5
4 STRATUM Paul Perry L Beasley 6 56.5
5 UNDOUBTEDLY Mark Kavanagh D Dunn 9 56.5
6 SEIDNAZAR Peter G Moody L Nolen 2 56.5
7 FLYING PEGASUS David Payne D Nikolic 15 56.5
8 AL SAMER Tim Martin H Bowman 8 56.5
9 DR GREEN (NZ) Brian Jenkins R McLeod 1 56.5
10 FASHIONS AFIELD Gai Waterhouse C Munce 3 54.5
11 MEDIA Bob Thomsen R S Dye 11 54.5
12 MNEMOSYNE John Hawkes D Beadman 10 54.5
13 OPPORTUNITY (NZ) Tony Vasil D Oliver 16 54.5
14 PERMISSIVE Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 5 54.5
15 BLIZZARDLY Gai Waterhouse D McLellan 13 54.5
16 POETIC GENIUS Graeme Rogerson J Cassidy 7 54.5

ubetido 18th March 2005 12:08 PM

ROSEHILL RACE 5
1 GRAND ARMEE
8 MAKYBE DIVA
10 OUTBACK PRINCE
9 VOUVRAY
11 CHEVAL DE TROY

RACE 7
1 SNITZEL
5 UNDOUBTEDLY
10 FASHIONS AFIELD
2 WRITTEN TYCOON
3 DOOMESDAY

DR RON 18th March 2005 01:03 PM

Race 5


1.Grand Armee
8 Makaybe diva
11 cheval de troy
9 vouvray
2 hugs dancer
5 mahtoum
10 outback pr2 ince

race 7
1 snitzel
11 media
10 fashions afield
4 stratum
12 mnemsoyne
5 undoubtedly

QuickFunBet 18th March 2005 07:49 PM

Ratings Challenge
 
Rosehill Race 5
1. Grand Armee
8. Makybe Diva
9. Vouvray
11. Cheval De Troy
5. Mahtoum
10. Outback Prince (1st Res.)
6. Manawa King (2nd Res.)

Rosehill Race 7
10. Fashions Afield
4. Stratum
1. Snitzel
12. Mnemosyne
8. Al Samer
2. Written Tycoon (1st Res.)
5. Undoubtedly (2nd Res.)

Thanks,
QFB

Duritz 18th March 2005 08:20 PM

OK here's mine. Can't post tomorrow so I'll post heaps here now!!

ROSE 5 2.20
seln mgn price
8 0.0 $2.0 MAKYBE DIVA
1 4.3 $3.5 GRAND ARMEE
7 9.9 $249.6 SEUL AMOUR-NZ
9 9.9 $286.0 VOUVRAY-NZ
11 9.9 $376.1 CHEVAL DE TRO-NZ
10 9.9 $395.9 OUTBACK PRINCE
2 10 $400.0 HUGS DANCER
5 10 $400.0 MAHTOUM

ROS 7 factors 3.55
seln mgn price
13 0.0 $5.4 OPPORTUNITY
5 0.9 $6.0 UNDOUBTEDLY
1 4.9 $10.6 SNITZEL
12 6.8 $17.1 MNEMOSYNE
10 8.1 $28.1 FASHIONS AFIELD
4 8.2 $30.7 STRATUM
11 8.4 $33.5 MEDIA

Chrome Prince 19th March 2005 12:30 AM

Rosehill Race 5
1. Grand Armee
8. Makybe Diva
11. Cheval De Troy
9. Vouvray
2. Hugs Dancer

10. Outback Prince
5. Mahtoum

Rosehill Race 7
1. Snitzel
10. Fashions Afield
4. Stratum
12. Mnemosyne
5. Undoubtedly

2. Written Tycoon
8. Al Samer

zorro 19th March 2005 08:07 AM

SR5
8 x721-Makybe Diva (GB) (8) $2.60
1 3111-Grand Armee (1) $3.70
5 5121-Mahtoum (9) $5.70
9 3x82-Vouvray (NZ) (4) $8.30
10 5163-Outback Prince (6) $18.70

SR7
10 111-Fashions Afield (3) $2.70
1 1131-Snitzel (12) $5.70
4 521-Stratum (6) $5.70
5 151-Undoubtedly (9) $6.80
8 x231-Al Samer (8) $9.70

the mug 19th March 2005 09:37 AM

syd rd5- the bmw

1- Grand Armee 1.90
8- Makybe Diva 7.50
5- Mahtoum 18.00
2- Hugs Dancer 30.00
7- Seul AMour 30.00

r7- golden slopper..

5 - Undoubtedly 4.60
10-Fashions afield 5.10
2-Written tycoon 5.75
7-flying pegasus 9.20
1-snitzel 11.00

THe Wizzzard, has rated grand armee very highly today. I'll be backing the big mare though...
cheers

Heavyweight 19th March 2005 09:52 AM

SR5

1.Grand Armee $2.10
8.Makybe Diva $2.25
10.Outback Prince $51.00
7.Seul Amour $51.00
5.Mahtoum $67.00

Then Cheval de Troy, Vouvray, Another Warrior

SR7

5.Undoubtedly $3.75
10.Fashions Afield $4.50
1.Snitzel $7.00
2.Written Tycoon $7.50
3.Domesday $16.00

Then Media, Al Samer, Flying Pegasus

Cheers,

H.

La Mer 19th March 2005 09:56 AM

Race 5:
MAKYBE DIVA
GRAND ARMEE
MAHTOUM
CHEVAL DE TROY
OUTBACK PRINCE
VOUVRAY

Race 7:
SNITZEL
UNDOUBTEDLY
FASHIONS AFIELD
MEDIA
STRATUM
WRITTEN TYCOON

Jimmy 19th March 2005 10:09 AM

The B M W.

1 Grand Armee
8 Makybe Diva
10 Outback Prince
9 Vouvray
2 Hugs Dancer

7 Seul Amour
5 Mahtoum

A A M I Golden Slipper.

1 Snitzel
3 Domesday
10 Fashions Afield
2 Written Tycoon
5 Undoubtedly

12 Mnemosyne
13 Opportunity

xptdriver 19th March 2005 10:33 AM

RACE 5 The B M W
8 $2.6 Makybe Diva
1 $4.6 Grand Armee
9 $10.7 Vouvray
3 $14.3 County Tyrone
10 $19.8 Outback Prince

RACE 7 A A M I Golden Slipper
8 $5.2 Al Samer
1 $6.9 Snitzel
10 $9.2 Fashions Afield
5 $9.2 Undoubtedly
12 $12.3 Mnemosyne

Sportz 19th March 2005 10:54 AM

ROSEHILL R5
1 GRAND ARMEE (79.0) $2.30
8 MAKYBE DIVA (78.5) $2.60
9 VOUVRAY (70.5) $25.60
10 OUTBACK PRINCE (65.0) $76.70
11 CHEVAL DE TROY (63.5) $115.00
-------------------
2 HUGS DANCER (61.0) $115.00

ROSEHILL R7
10 FASHIONS AFIELD (69.0) $4.60
1 SNITZEL (68.5) $5.30
2 WRITTEN TYCOON (65.5) $11.50
4 STRATUM (65.5) $11.50
12 MNEMOSYNE (65.5) $11.50
-------------------
13 Opportunity (65.0) $12.80
3 Domesday (64.0) $16.40
11 Media (64.0) $16.40

kiwi 19th March 2005 11:36 AM

Race 5

8
Makybe Diva $ 2.5
1
Grand Armee $ 3.00
3
County Tyrone $ 5.00
4
Another Warrior $ 9.00
10
Outback Prince $ 15.00

Race 7
5
Undoubtedly $ 3.00
4
Stratum $ 3.25
1
Snitzel $ 4.75
11
Media $ 8.00
10
Fashions Afield $ 9.75

Top Rank 19th March 2005 12:51 PM

Raced back home from holidays just for this comp. HA HA HA.


The BMW

1. Grand Armee
2. Makybe Diva
3. Vouvray
4. Outback Prince
5. Hugs Dancer


The Slipper

1. Fashions Afield
2. Written Tycoon
3. Undoubtedly
4. Domesday
5. Al Samer

Good Punting

Sportz 19th March 2005 03:13 PM

Well done Dr Ron in finding the Slipper first4 in your top 5 rated horses.

Sportz 19th March 2005 08:22 PM

This week:

Dr Ron (65 + 70) 135
zorro (87.5 + 42.5) 130
QuickFunBet (75 + 55) 130
Sportz (92.5 + 32.5) 125
kiwi (60 + 55) 115
Chrome Prince (65 + 47.5) 112.5
La Mer (62.5 + 42.5) 105
Top Rank (92.5 + 12.5) 105
xpt driver (92.5 + 10) 102.5
ubetido (85 + 12.5) 97.5
Jimmy (85 + 10) 95
Duritz (70 + 7.5) 77.5
Heavyweight (57.5 + 12.5) 70
The mug (52.5 + 10) 62.5

Overall:

Sportz 972.5
zorro 897.5
La Mer 862.5
Top Rank 860
Dr Ron 830
QuickFunBet 830
Jimmy 830
Duritz 745
xpt driver 727.5
Heavyweight 727.5
ubetido 700
Chrome Prince 600
The mug 592.5
Filante 510
kiwi 402.5
Shaun 292.5

Coming to the end of this little comp. How do you guys feel about doing ratings for Saturday AND Monday over the Easter weekend?

Duritz 19th March 2005 08:40 PM

I'm good to go!

zorro 19th March 2005 10:37 PM

My preference would be to to draw the line on Saturday - too many family commitments over the rest of the holiday period.
Congrat's Sportz you've been too good.

zorro 19th March 2005 11:10 PM

Now that we are near the end of the challenge I reckon it's time to declare how we actually arrive at our ratings.
I use :
1) My speed ratings (Beyer based)
2) A set of ratings based on sectional times - I only do these on Melbourne races
3)A commercially available set of ratings - usually Price Predictor.
My final selections are based on a consensus of the 3 sets of ratings.
I guess it's not surprising but I've found that over the last three years the consensus has out-performed any of the individual sets of ratings.

Top Rank 20th March 2005 07:09 AM

My ratings are based on a method I invented myself concerned with ranking of certain factors. To be honest most of the races that were rated were not races I bet on.

Good Punting

DR RON 20th March 2005 06:23 PM

Thanks sportz, a pity my top pick came nowhere!! neverthe less my climb up the ladder continues. I am happy for both days over easter sportz. The more races there are the more chance Ive got of catching you. although i think ive left my run too late. You have been very consistent and deserve the accolades sportz.

Sportz 23rd March 2005 12:14 AM

Okay. Well, as Zorro suggested, we'll finish up the comp this weekend. However, I do think it would be good to include the Doncaster in our comp, so this is what I think we'll do. We'll rate 3 races this week, the 2 main races on Saturday and also the Doncaster on Monday. But, to be fair to the people who might find it a bit tough to post their ratings for Monday, we'll only count everybody's two best scores from the 3 races.

SATURDAY
RAND R5-2.35 AJC SIRES PRODUCE STAKES 1400 M ($422460) 2YO SW
1 STRATUM Paul Perry L Beasley 6 56.5
2 DOMESDAY John Hawkes 8 56.5
3 THE RHINE John Hawkes 12 56.5
4 POWER OF DESTINY Kevin Moses J Cassidy 7 56.5
5 PENDRAGON (NZ) Bart Cummings G Boss 1 56.5
6 JOHNNY Kris Lees L Cassidy 2 56.5
7 EL DE LAGO Bart Cummings D Nikolic 4 56.5
8 FASHIONS AFIELD Gai Waterhouse D Beasley 11 54.5
9 MNEMOSYNE John Hawkes 3 54.5
10 OPPORTUNITY (NZ) Tony Vasil D Oliver 5 54.5
11 ANOTHER TIME Gratz Vella D Dunn 10 54.5
12 FLORA DANICA Kris Lees D McLellan 9 54.5

RAND R6-3.15 AJC AUSTRALIAN DERBY 2400 M ($1937860) 3YO SW
1 OUTBACK PRINCE Anthony Cummings D Dunn 8 56.5
2 EREMEIN Allan Denham C Brown 3 56.5
3 JYMCAREW Bob Thomsen G Boss 11 56.5
4 XCELLENT (NZ) Michael Moroney M T Coleman 10 56.5
5 STELLA GRANDE Lee Freedman D Beadman 4 56.5
6 WESTERN BEAU Marc Conners D Nikolic 12 56.5
7 SVENSKA (NZ) Graeme Rogerson D Beasley 1 56.5
8 KING JOHNY (NZ) Raymond Connors L Beasley 5 56.5
9 TAISHO Greg Kennedy L Cassidy 6 56.5
10 SLY DOG Rod Byrnes C Rixon 7 56.5
11 RAILINGS John Hawkes 9 56.5
12 HIGH CEE (NZ) Bart Cummings D Oliver 2 56.5

MONDAY
RAND R6-3.05 DONCASTER HANDICAP 1600 M ($1910360) 3YO+
1 DESERT WAR Gai Waterhouse D Beasley 11 56.5
2 COURT'S IN SESSION Guy Walter G Boss 12 55.5
3 TOULOUSE LAUTREC John Hawkes 4 55.5
4 MODEM Lee Freedman D Oliver 15 55
5 NATURAL BLITZ Doug Harrison 7 55
6 THIS MANSHOOD Tim Martin Z Purton 1 55
7 PATEZZA Guy Walter D Nikolic 18 54.5 1.5
8 IKE'S DREAM John Hawkes 10 54
9 OSCA WARRIOR Gwenda Markwell S Seamer 17 54
10 SKY CUDDLE Peter G Moody 14 54
11 WINNING BELLE (NZ) Gai Waterhouse N Ryan (a) 9 54
12 CHARNWOOD GREEN Chris Wood 8 53.5
13 NIPS Clarry Conners J Innes 13 53.5
14 AL MAHER Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 6 53
15 DANNI MARTINE Guy Walter R S Dye 5 53
16 UTZON Les Bridge J Cassidy 2 52.5
17 TUI SONG (NZ) Graeme Rogerson 3 51
18 JOHAN'S TOY Guy Walter J Ford 16 49.5

You don't have to post ratings for all 3 races by Saturday. You can of course wait til Monday to post your Doncaster ratings if you wish.

Good luck. :)

By the way, I've thought up an idea for another entirely different comp that we can have a go at in a couple of week's time. I think it'll prove to be pretty interesting. It involves us picking a 'stable' of horses to follow over a period of 2 or 3 months or so, and we tally up the winnings from bets placed on these horses at each start. What do you think of that idea?


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