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Chrome Prince 2nd June 2006 01:36 AM

That theory of topweight in a Welter is another myth to be busted.

517 Topweights in Welters

Return $380.60

Loss 136.40 units or 26.38% LOT

There were only two in my database running over exactly 2400m and both lost.

The one's that started at greater than $6.00 on the tote were 278 for a return of $162.20 and loss of 115.80 or 41.65% LOT

NB: Flying Welters not included

MYTH BUSTED

I've long held the suspicion that bookmakers started these myths and sent them around the rings shouting "look there's another one that just won" to perpetuate it.

So far I've busted:

Topweight in a Welter
Horses For Courses
Avoid horses second up
Avoid wet tracks (did you know Fast is the very worst going to make a profit?)
The impact of weight
The impact of time
Track Record breakers
Odds On Look On

To name just a few.

Take all these myths and lay 'em like there's no tomorrow and win big.

The bookies version of the Da Vinci Code - BUSTED ;)

crash 2nd June 2006 05:19 AM

I bet you always wanted to be a policeman when you grew up Chrome.

breadman 2nd June 2006 08:05 AM

TOP WEIGHTS IN WELTERS?
 
JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP THIS SAYING. WHEN I WAS 14 I WAS GOING TO THE RACES WITH MY DAD. WE USED TO GET STAND TICKETS AND I ACTUALLY HAD A FRIEND UP THERE CALLED IAN CRAIG THE RACE CALLER FOR 2KY. EVERY SAT AT WHEN THE RACES WERE ON AT RANDWICK ID ALWAYS HAVE A CHAT TO HIM. VERY FRIENDLY MAN WHO ALWAYS TOOK TIME OUT TO SPEAK TO ME. THE SAYING BACK TOP WEIGHTD IN WELTERS WHEN IN DOUBT MEANS EXACTLY THAT. I NEVER BET THE TOPWEIGHT IN WELTERS IN EVERY RACE EVER!!!! ITS ONLY WHEN I WAS DOING THE FORM AND SY I HAD 2 TO 5 HORSES MARKED OUT FOR A WELTER RACE AND I COULDNT MAKE UP MY MIND IF IT SO HAPPENED THAT ONE OF THOSE HORSES WAS A TOPWEIGHT WELL THEN I WOULD BACK THE TOPPY, AND THEN IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE!!!

REMEMBER WHEN IN DOUBT BACK THE TOPWEIGHT DOES NOT MEAN BACK THE TOP WEIGHT IN EVERY WELTER!!!!

JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP

REGARDS BREADMAN

GOOD LUCK AND GOOD PUNTING

Chrome Prince 2nd June 2006 11:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by crash
I bet you always wanted to be a policeman when you grew up Chrome.


Hehe, I just love busting myths.

Chrome Prince 2nd June 2006 11:29 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by breadman
JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP THIS SAYING. WHEN I WAS 14 I WAS GOING TO THE RACES WITH MY DAD. WE USED TO GET STAND TICKETS AND I ACTUALLY HAD A FRIEND UP THERE CALLED IAN CRAIG THE RACE CALLER FOR 2KY. EVERY SAT AT WHEN THE RACES WERE ON AT RANDWICK ID ALWAYS HAVE A CHAT TO HIM. VERY FRIENDLY MAN WHO ALWAYS TOOK TIME OUT TO SPEAK TO ME. THE SAYING BACK TOP WEIGHTD IN WELTERS WHEN IN DOUBT MEANS EXACTLY THAT. I NEVER BET THE TOPWEIGHT IN WELTERS IN EVERY RACE EVER!!!! ITS ONLY WHEN I WAS DOING THE FORM AND SY I HAD 2 TO 5 HORSES MARKED OUT FOR A WELTER RACE AND I COULDNT MAKE UP MY MIND IF IT SO HAPPENED THAT ONE OF THOSE HORSES WAS A TOPWEIGHT WELL THEN I WOULD BACK THE TOPPY, AND THEN IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE!!!

REMEMBER WHEN IN DOUBT BACK THE TOPWEIGHT DOES NOT MEAN BACK THE TOP WEIGHT IN EVERY WELTER!!!!

JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP

REGARDS BREADMAN

GOOD LUCK AND GOOD PUNTING


Breadman, I understand what you're saying and under those circumstances, perhaps it would work, but with such a poor loss on turnover, looking elsewhere might be better. Topweights win very few Welters.

The fact is, that no matter how I tweaked the rules Topweights came out worst of all. Even when favourite, they have a much worse strike rate than favourites overall which gives a big indication.

As for Ian Craig, he does know a bit about punting, in fact, one of his sayings actually works very well with filters.

POSEIDON 6th June 2006 03:45 PM

MUSWELLBROOK RACE 7
 
(1) MAIN GAME EW!

POSEIDON 7th June 2006 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by POSEIDON
(1) MAIN GAME EW!



..narrow win but got there!

slowseriousstab 8th June 2006 03:25 PM

Like the toppy COPPER PENNY!

Others for multies CAMBRIC, CIRCUS MAXIMUS & AWESOME FLASH

slowseriousstab 9th June 2006 09:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowseriousstab
Like the toppy COPPER PENNY!

Others for multies CAMBRIC, CIRCUS MAXIMUS & AWESOME FLASH



Copper Penny finished 3rd (made profit on EW) also jagged nice tri with Cambric winning from Circus Maximus :)

slowseriousstab 9th June 2006 10:54 PM

Eagle Farm 3
 
Like the toppy BECKS!

Others for multies GENERALS COMMAND, GENERAL PATTON, BITABIFF & MYSTIKOS


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