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Chrome Prince 9th July 2006 11:00 AM

No joy yesterday Mancunian, but #2 did win in R6 Flemington.

No 3 was scratched, so it only left 1&2.

Anyway, on to next week.....

Mancunian 9th July 2006 11:50 AM

yep - it looks like there are a couple of possibilities midweek - the Grafton Cupand the Ramorne also at Grafton. The list doesn't mention anything about 2 or 3 year olds, would your research have included these races or only Metro ?
cheers

Chrome Prince 9th July 2006 01:23 PM

Only Metro, but if the points are there, have a go ;)

Mancunian 11th July 2006 05:49 PM

Blacktype Race at Grafton tomorrow Wed 12 July.

Ramournie Hcp, Listed Race, Race 7 at 1548 over 1200m.
I've had a look at this and it comes up with No.5 Starlactic with 3 points on top. It also has won at this track and at the distance and also in Good, Dead and Slow conditions (and is also picked by another system I use). Only trouble is, based on all the info I can see, I think it will be short priced.
As I will be on the golf course at 0730 in the morning, I don't think I can wait for pre post pricing info, scratchings, track condition etc.
cheers

Chrome Prince 11th July 2006 06:54 PM

That race has a bit of a history of bolters coming in, keep an eye out for horses low in points.

Mancunian 11th July 2006 08:03 PM

Thanks for the warning, but I'm only into small bets at this stage anyway.

Other contenders with some dodgy qualifications were :
#2 - 1pt (from Qlt Race ?
#3 - 2pts
#10 2pts (both from Open 3YO and upwards)
#11 doubtful 2pts (from Welters)
#14 possible 1 pt (from Welter 3YO and upwards.

CP - Maybe you could help me consolidate my rule list by commenting on whether
QLT./ 3yo & upwards hcap,/ and welters should be included or not.
Regardless, the outcome of this race will add to the history and knowledge base.

Chrome Prince 11th July 2006 09:59 PM

Mancunian, points are only allocated to LR GR3 G2 & G1 with no age or sex restrictions. Qualities are not included either.

so a 3yo+ LR gets no points.

The rules again...

1. Consider only upcoming blacktype races
1a. NO 2yo or 3yo races!
2. Consider only horse's last five starts
3. Consider only wins in those last five starts
4. Assign points only to metro wins (for each win) as outlined in the table below:

G1 - 16
G2 - 8
G3 - 4
LR - 2
Open - 1

I don't assign any points at all to Welters, Flying or Quality races.

Hope this helps, I'll post this weekend's contenders when I have them and see how we go.

Mancunian 12th July 2006 08:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrome Prince
That race has a bit of a history of bolters coming in, keep an eye out for horses low in points.

Boy was that a statement !
Should've taken a field ticket ($16 out return $43 Vic TAB)
or a field Quin $120 out for $283
or a field Tri for $3360 for $23,822
or in my case even a 100th on Flexibet would have won me abot 200 odd for outlay of 30.
How much history of this race have you got - maybe I should make it my bet of the year for 2007. (There again that will probably ensure the top 3 favs coming in)
cheers

Chrome Prince 13th July 2006 12:25 AM

Mancunian,

Last start the winner was beaten 4.9L in a Listed Race

Look at it's second last start...

3-9 0.6L, R'wick, 10Jn06, 1100m, June Stks, LR, (5), $75000 ($6700), Heavy, J Ford, 4, Cd 55.0, (53.0), 1:06.54, (36.19), 10/1, S 7, 12 -, 8 -, T 8, 1-Vionneto 56.5

Overs in anyone's language at those odds!

Still it wasn't a selection under Blacktype Magic, but does show the theory quite well, beaten nearly 5L last start, so forgotten in the betting, going on second last run had a very good chance.

I don't have a list for the Ramornie, but I can remember at least two horses winning at 50/1 plus and Citichy winning at around 80/1 some years ago.

Traditionally, they go far too fast early at Grafton, trying get position before the turn, setting it up beautifully for swoopers at any old odds.
You want to be looking for horses with some sort of rating that get back in their races and finish hard.

Chrome Prince 13th July 2006 06:12 PM

Mancunian and others following this thread,

There are no qualifying races this weekend, all the blacktype races scheduled are 2yo and 3yo lotteries.

Will wait it out til something decent comes along.


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