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Bhagwan 6th October 2009 08:40 PM

Hi Maurice,
I'm going to do you a big favour , my friend.

I'm going to come over there & give you a jolly good slapping for being silly.
You can thank me later.

You can & will be able to make 1.5% a day.
If not, take up bricklaying, its easier

Here is a method that will do the job.

RULES
Lay a tipsters top selection for race one , only, for all venues.

Price range 3.50-5.90

Bet 1.5% of bank level stakes.

Stop once we are in front by 1.5% or have broke even on the day after recovering from a loss.

Cheers.

Bhagwan 6th October 2009 08:52 PM

Hi Gnarkly,

The Govt like the idea of punters paying TAX

The Govt does not like the idea of punters claiming expenses as well as the possibility of any losses.

Here is an article about Tax on professional gamblers.

http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v2n2/kee222.html

Maurice 6th October 2009 09:13 PM

With out being at all overly insulting, i am not sure i even understand the rules.
But personally, even with that...no hypertheticals... i wouldnt mind seeing the action even a single month ......with real money ,real bets and a real 1K profit.

Maurice 6th October 2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice
With out being at all overly insulting, i am not sure i even understand the rules.
But personally, even with that...no hypertheticals... i wouldnt mind seeing the action even a single month ......with real money ,real bets and a real 1K profit.
just to think, a better favour would be to
actually do a hyperthetical, so i can grasp the rules

RULES
1) Lay a tipsters top selection for race one , only, for all venues.
what tipster?,systems do not differ we all have to use the same mechanicly) maybe we are on a staking plan here..ok thats even better, they can work..until....ok tak.we bet just the top selection to lose the 1st race of the day ..but only 'only' the 1st race? .why only? how do we re-coup?..and at all venues is this the same tipster?.of course, i'm guessing not,...
Price range 3.50-5.90
i take this to be the win price,np? what service, bfair? what if the price isnt in the range ,what do we do? what time are we looking at the odds?...do the odds ever vary? ..not sure here...i dont bet with corprates anymore so i am lacking what services they all offer now. and have never layed directly., (indirectly was that the 'home booky")
Bet 1.5% of bank level stakes.
10,000 bank ok $150..got that one. :)
Stop once we are in front by 1.5% or have broke even on the day after recovering from a loss.
( so basicly unless we get the 1st winner up, we chase till we are back where we started?)..couldnt be, could it?..broke even after a loss?
do we keep meetings seperate? if not what is there is a delay and the race jumps directly after the previous?..plenty of things that make this not so systematic .....but still .......

so wading in relentlessly here, without really understanding.. i think basicly we are really on a staking plan chasing a continious high strike rate of losing 1st selections of any tipster??...If we are laying , what are we looking at if the 'tipster' selects the 1st 4 winners?..
even if i have completely misunderstood, when laying and kick chasing, what if someone picks the card?..with only 8 races 1200 (or 7 straight losing bets, are we down 1050)?


just in case it is a high strike rate chaser.....a note for other readers
one of the big systems of the past was kick and chase losses , box 1 at the dogs..rarely lost with a large bank..BUT but but when you lost, you never went back to it....i think it was Richmond who had 38 straight box 1 losers, 14 straight unplaced....same as place betting methods...these were all nice little earners specially while researching ) until your putting on 1000 to get back 100..then it slipped to 1.04., while being behind. and chasing yesterdays rent.and then its checked at the 1st turn......

Stix 7th October 2009 12:01 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stix
If I may Maurice.....

So how do you select your bets? (Form analysis? How do you select which races to bet on, or how do you disregard races to bet on?)

On average how many bets would you have a day or week (or month if you prefer)?

Do you bet regardless of price? (Do you bet level stakes only?)

Just curious.......thanks in advance.
I'll assume it was a gloss over.........?? :rolleyes:

place2win 7th October 2009 02:30 AM

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Bhagwan,
Love a challenge, so with your blessing did a 1.5% take home for
the month of sept, refer below attachment.

Maurice 7th October 2009 07:32 AM

Been for my run this morning..ok ok ok... brisk walk.
i am still not sure where the tipster comes into it? and what tipster?

why not study 'select' yourself weak favs, or 2nd favs
150 to 30? i think it would be about...still not sure exactly
but looks like odds on betting,

if thats about it, its not a SYSTEM, just a kick and chase staking method.

Paper profiteers.always dream of having 10K,....i will take a small profit each day and the run of outs (or maybe ins in this case) will never trouble my bank..until they actually do it. Dom' the great has been doing 8% profit for decades..backong 4 or 5,6 runners in selected races.....and it aint easy. takes time and study.
OR alternative
maybe its 10k at 1.08 on Serina, followed by 10K on Venus at 1.12, Kuznetsova at 1.10, Bartoli at 1.15 etc etc and in no time that 10K is now 15K (notice i didnt use Maria, we arent talking at the moment)...
Until 10k on serina and she does place a ball in an orifice, disquall'ed..do not worry the 5K on Jankavik start the road back.oh no shes called for the trainer again....gone

taking an old kick and chase staking method , slapping a new label on it...in this case lay betting..is much the same as Isnack2.0... works well on paper.
and is not a system.

and i am still wondering why we need a tipster at all for this..not to assume or insult. :)

crash 7th October 2009 08:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice

Paper profiteers.always dream of having 10K,....



Oh a lot of punters do have, or at a stretch can organize $10k for a system bank ... I think it's called a credit card or a home (if they still have one) equity loan :-)

Stix 7th October 2009 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crash
Oh a lot of punters do have, or at a stretch can organize $10k for a system bank ... I think it's called a credit card or a home (if they still have one) equity loan :-)
Yeah, the average punter who can wrangle $500 without the missus knowing, wouldn't have the paitence to try an return 1.5% (<$10) a day.....the big paying winner looms larger in their eyes, so after 3 weeks at giving it a go, will lash out and have $250 e/way on Profound Beauty in the MC - with all in betting...and have it scratched

crash 7th October 2009 09:16 AM

And nah, it's not call a 'loss-chasing' system Maurice. I prefer JFC's euphemism: "non-reducing" !


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