So here we are Max. Darkydog2002 has 600 systems none of which work and moeee is still trying to find a winning method. I recall a great contributor here called crash who admitted in one post that he didn't win, that surprised me. His posts were quite brilliant and informative. They certainly weren't statistically based, nor did he put a great deal of faith in systems.

It seems that no one is winning?

Say there's a pool of $100k at the TAB. The TAB takes out $15k and that leaves $85k to be distributed to punters. What percentage of consistently dumb (follow the herd) money makes up that representative and "on-going" $85k?

Perhaps there may be an error in your premise that following the herd is dumb.

In Following Market Moves , the Punter is trying to get a Free Ride into some unknown data that obviously somebody is willing to invest a large sum of their hard earned on.

I don't do it myself , unless the animal is one of my predetermined selections.

Thanks for your replies guys. Some have made me laugh, like Shaun's selections for Race 3 which came in in the order he rated them. ************!

I guess I tend to get bogged down in volume and detail because I can be very predantic at times and want to see the bigger picture in case I miss out on something off to the side.

I would be happy to only bet on a few races a day or even a few a week if I knew they would overral return a regular profit.

At the moment I am testing about 20 systems all based on my own theories and on things I have picked up on this site (yes I have been backreading about 20 pages a day, and no I have not found the system you are referring to as just about every 10th page has something new that I end up testing).

I am a destination guy not a journey guy. If I don't think something is worthwhile doing it then I am not going to invest my time and effort finding out. Thats probably why I dropped the electric guitar at age 20 - if I can't be sure I'll be good, then why bother. Life is way too short and I have so many things competing for my time and effort.

I was hoping crunching some numbers over time (something I am very good at) would reveal some sort of strategy to follow which would return a little profit, but alas, nothing has jumped out as yet.

Okay I will not buy a system. I will continue trolling through the hundreds of pages of this forum and continue to take the myriads of data into excel each day and see what else I can find.

I guess it boils down to 1 question - IS IT POSSIBLE?

I hear from lots on this forum that are claiming they don't make profits and yet I would consider them more likely than me to do so - so am I kidding myself?

Race 5

2=5
4=5
5=5
9=5

This will be interesting, they all rated the same and i used the Qtab ratings to separate them.

So Shaun how would you back these? Grouped for 1st 4? Boxed Trifecta? 1 unit on each?

So far I have been looking at:

1st Favourites only
backing 3, 4, 5 favs
backing 3rd favourite at the same time prior to each race (5mins) - 1st 6 races of the day only
1st Fav Race 1's only
top 5 morning odds for the day only
1st runner at 10/1
Rosehill Barrier 1
Radio and Tipster matching 1st fav

plus published systems such as:
Sports Betting Shark
Natural Selections
Zipform

and a few others

So what some of you are saying is to forget the market odds and the morning paper odds as most of that is derived by the market and they are in fact losing on a daily basis?

What should I be better off looking at?

I would just back the top 2, but that's me you could take Quinellas or if the prices are there to back all of them.

In that first race backing top 2 was only choice.

Why? Because there was only 2 that got above the 50% mark (5 or above)?

I find a lot of the races on Unitab site do not have a Radio and Tipster tip. In fact only about 25% of the meets have both.

Is there a better source for looking for 2 tipsters?

Are you familiar with OVERLAYS?

Overlays are essential to Punting as cement is to concrete.
You don't have to know why cement makes concrete goes hard, but you sure as ******** better make sure you have it in there.

If you have dismissed Overlays as not being useful then you are lost.
If you haven't grasped the concept , then read up on the subject.

Race 6

1=6
4=6
5=3
8=3