Nice to see Dick Mitchell get a mention there. :)

The good old 3 R's.

in response to GaryF's post in this thread. Here's a site with all the Group race results going back to 2007. This would be a pretty big task to come up with a "common follow on" from each and every race. Something to ponder on though.

http://www.horseracinginfo.com.au/g...ces-results.php

Paul

Yep that's for sure that's why he only followed certain races,

In his quest for profits he put in trainers, then age groups, He had other criteria as well don't know what they were.

And is it still an angle that can be profitable???.

My last meeting was may 2007 the day i stopped work,
He had been doing this for several years before that.

Certainly an angle but not for me though thanks i will pass.

Cheers.

I also note the stats on that site also list LR races as well. Just sitting here looking at that site and run a search on the first horse mentioned in those stats, Temple of Boom. The win mentioned there was a Group 3 race on 6 August 2011, at its 4th run back from a spell. The very next preparation it won a Group 1 race also at its 4th run back from a spell on 21 April 2012 at 14/1.

I've looked at things like this on and off over the years, never really only just concentrated on Group Races, usually just run of the mill races and it was very time consuming.

Something to store in the back of my mind here,

Paul

Snap, you beat me by 1 minute. The more one thinks about this with your initial comment/s one should really take the time to look at this angle even if its just reserved for black type races.

I'm on holidays up in Cairns at present, must look at this more when I get back home,

Paul

Knew i should have not posted this angle Especially as i have not been through it myself.

Probably haven't explained this properly although i thought i did.
We are not looking at the horse ("that's the second part")
"WE ARE LOOKING AT THE RACE ITSELF"

For example using P'S 123 example of,
Temple of Doom it is the ""AURIE STAR RACE ITSELF " we are interested in.

That race, what is it like following the winners and placegetters,
Over the years do those horses go on and win races within,
There next3- 4-5 starts or does the race not produce much,
In the way of future winners.

I look at this a little bit in my own form analysis but not,
In that format i call it a 'KEY RACE" it is when you see,
A Horse win a race be it metro cntry prov horses,
That finish behind it and the winner itself,
Will go on and win again many times next start.

It's identifying these races early that leads to future winners,
Before everybody else jumps on.

This is why i watch and tape races every day only my own racetypes,
Which i have posted, that way the workload becomes managable.

For instance in between posting i am watching the 6 races i earmarked today.

Let's take the Blue Diamond for example off the top of my head,
Do last start winners and placegetters repeat next start, some don't start again,
Others push on to the Golden slipper some go up in distance and,
Run in the Sires over 1400.

What then, do they come back and win 1-2-3 up as 3yo's,
Or does the Blue Diamond prep burn them out??.

Unfortunately i have not followed this angle and,
I have no evidence or data that it works.

All i know that Bob, that was his name made a living,
Out of it for many years up to 2007 anyway.

He would always then assess the trainer,
Some horses trained by lesser trainers fluked,
The win on the day the better trainers,
Could go on and get there horses to win again often at,
Very big odds like that day at flemington.

He personally liked l Freedman Hayes and Cummings,
That was back in the late 90's early 2000.
They would enter 2-3 in a race sure enough Bob would,
Be on the $21.00 shot the stable elect least fancied.

I entered this thread on a whim with no factual evidence,
To back my theory up, this is something i hate doing,
And i promise you, i will not do again.

Will still post or give an opinion but not say things that i can't verify.

Sorry but that's just me.

Cheers.

I'm sure this has been posted here before and you only need to read the first few lines.

"Only 2 percent of racegoers are cosistent winners..........if you do everything the opposite you will probably be successful".

But alas, most "systems" start with "find the favourite...."

Agree Mark, but its a start to further your knowledge into pace analysis and velocity recordings.

I foundwith time sectionals from TVN you can determine whether certain horses that run on with a slow velocity at the start of the race go on to win one of there next 2 starts.

If you look on the weekend at all the 1200 m races.
Measure the metres per second for the first 800m and the last 400m and then follow up with some calculations you can see which races horses had a fun time out in front.

Its another angle for anyone interested but takes some time week in and out.
Not my cuppa tea.

Especially when they're mostly inaccurate times given.