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Rinconpaul 8th June 2013 07:29 AM

Selections to LAY for today incorporating Vortech's (thank's for your contribution) filters:

Randwick
R2........7, 8, 11
R5........9, 12, 13
R7........5, 7

Flemington
R2........13, 14
R3........5
R5........12
R6........9, 11, 13, 18, 19
R7........15
R8........12

Eagle Farm
R3........18
R7........6, 12, 16, 18
R8........9, 12
R9........8, 14

Morphetville
R3........7
R4........11
R5........4, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14
R6........4, 10, 14
R8........9, 12, 14, 16

Belmont
R5........6

Kembla
R5........6
R6........9, 10
R7........14
R8........9, 11, 12, 14

Tamworth
R2........7
R5........2
R6........9, 10

Swan Hill
R4........5, 11, 12, 14
R5........9, 11
R6........10, 11
R8........7

Now I've never had any luck, everytime I post selections (aka Cadillac days, forum curse!), so I hope these fare OK?

Good luck today at whatever you do...RP

P.S. For Saturday's Mark had a rule that you could Lay every runner with a less than 17% win strike rate in lieu of the weekday 10%, so I've incorporated that filter into these selections

Rinconpaul 8th June 2013 07:58 AM

Missed a couple of races:

Gold Coast
R1.........9
R2.........8
R3.........5, 8, 9, 10

Toowoomba
R1.........7, 8
R2.........7, 10
R3.........9
R6.........4, 6
R7.........6, 8

RP

Rinconpaul 8th June 2013 03:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinconpaul
Selections to LAY for today incorporating Vortech's (thank's for your contribution) filters:

Randwick
R2........7, 8, 11
R5........9, 12, 13 +$85.72
R7........5, 7

Flemington
R2........13, 14
R3........5
R5........12
R6........9, 11, 13, 18, 19 +$28.63
R7........15
R8........12

Eagle Farm
R3........18
R7........6, 12, 16, 18 +$36.03
R8........9, 12
R9........8, 14

Morphetville
R3........7
R4........11
R5........4, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14 -$57.52
R6........4, 10, 14
R8........9, 12, 14, 16

Belmont
R5........6 +$1.46

Kembla
R5........6
R6........9, 10
R7........14 -$78.02
R8........9, 11, 12, 14

Tamworth
R2........7 +$16.12
R5........2
R6........9, 10

Swan Hill
R4........5, 11, 12, 14
R5........9, 11 -$74.82
R6........10, 11
R8........7

Now I've never had any luck, everytime I post selections (aka Cadillac days, forum curse!), so I hope these fare OK?

Good luck today at whatever you do...RP

P.S. For Saturday's Mark had a rule that you could Lay every runner with a less than 17% win strike rate in lieu of the weekday 10%, so I've incorporated that filter into these selections

Results: Nett loss of $42.40

Rinconpaul 9th June 2013 03:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinconpaul
Missed a couple of races:

Gold Coast
R1.........9
R2.........8 +$85.72
R3.........5, 8, 9, 10

Toowoomba
R1.........7, 8
R2.........7, 10 +$52.94
R3.........9
R6.........4, 6
R7.........6, 8

RP

Had to wait for Toowoomba to be completed.
The overall result for Saturday was a nett Profit of $96.26
A POT of 1.4%. A POS of 96%
In reality I had doubled my liability after R3 Morphetville and stopped betting for the Day. My thread "Is POS better than POT" advocates setting a profit target and once reached STOP betting. The longer you're betting the more chance you'll get hit with the inevitable losses and struggle all day to recoup. There were 3 selections that started as favourite, one of which won, so if I eliminated betting on favourites as a filter the profit would have increased to about $150 for the day.

Include the results from the two previous days, a total profit of $579 ($100 liability)not too bad a system so far! I'll leave it in the stable!

RP

Rinconpaul 10th June 2013 04:32 AM

Yesterday there were 2 accidents from 46 selections. Again, was able to get out early, after doubling my liability, before the first loser Pt Augusta R5 No. 9

RP

Shaun 10th June 2013 08:13 AM

Can you direct me to the thread about doubling liability, must have missed that one.

Rinconpaul 10th June 2013 08:20 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun
Can you direct me to the thread about doubling liability, must have missed that one.

Is POT better than POS?

Now much is made of POT (Profit on Turnover) as a measure of the success or otherwise of Ratings, Systems, Performance. For me, the MORE important consideration is POS (Profit on Stake)

We start each betting day with a stake. An amount we should feel slightly uneasy with if we lose it but more than happy with if we double it as profit!
In the attached sheet, based on actual bets placed yesterday, is a set of bets placed using a theoretical $500 initial stake.

As the day progresses we are doing quite well but take note of how the more you bet the more your POT decreases. If we set a target: that we want to double our stake, we should have stopped betting after bet 4. The punting Gods smiled on us and gave us another 6 opportunities to quit, but we ploughed on!

Then we started to hit the inevitable losing patch, had a choice to quit for the day or start implementing loss recovery by increasing stakes. NOT GOOD. We were given another opportunity to quit at bets 15 -17 but we ploughed on to be hit with another loss. We took a punt and increased our stake 10 fold, which paid off! At the end of the day we achieved our POS target for a measley 3.3% POT and had a free rollercoaster ride at Luna Park.

On another thread the question was asked, "When to Quit?". My answer is,"When you achieve your POS!".
Have a great day, RP
Attached Files
POS.xlsx (12.8 KB, 51 views)

Shaun 10th June 2013 08:47 AM

Thanks, you have some good ideas and back it up with reasoning and logic, keep up the good work fresh minds gets us all thinking.

TheSchmile 10th June 2013 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinconpaul
Is POT better than POS?

Now much is made of POT (Profit on Turnover) as a measure of the success or otherwise of Ratings, Systems, Performance. For me, the MORE important consideration is POS (Profit on Stake)

We start each betting day with a stake. An amount we should feel slightly uneasy with if we lose it but more than happy with if we double it as profit!
In the attached sheet, based on actual bets placed yesterday, is a set of bets placed using a theoretical $500 initial stake.

As the day progresses we are doing quite well but take note of how the more you bet the more your POT decreases. If we set a target: that we want to double our stake, we should have stopped betting after bet 4. The punting Gods smiled on us and gave us another 6 opportunities to quit, but we ploughed on!

Then we started to hit the inevitable losing patch, had a choice to quit for the day or start implementing loss recovery by increasing stakes. NOT GOOD. We were given another opportunity to quit at bets 15 -17 but we ploughed on to be hit with another loss. We took a punt and increased our stake 10 fold, which paid off! At the end of the day we achieved our POS target for a measley 3.3% POT and had a free rollercoaster ride at Luna Park.

On another thread the question was asked, "When to Quit?". My answer is,"When you achieve your POS!".
Have a great day, RP
Attached Files
POS.xlsx (12.8 KB, 51 views)
Hi RP,

Another interesting post as usual!!

Your theory holds water during one day of betting activity, however doesn't the fact that you go again the next day, then increase your chance of hitting a loser?

Eventually, you have the same statistical chance of hitting a loser, as if you'd carried on after reaching your POS for the day?

E.g. 100 bets over 1 day, or 100 bets over 30 days.

You have the same statistical chance of hitting a loser, UNLESS, you have an edge in the earlier races.

Hope it makes sense, I'm just trying to add an angle to the debate and am enjoying your latest threads IMMENSELY!! :)

Cheers RP.

Lord Greystoke 10th June 2013 01:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSchmile
Hi RP,

Another interesting post as usual!!

Your theory holds water during one day of betting activity, however doesn't the fact that you go again the next day, then increase your chance of hitting a loser?

Eventually, you have the same statistical chance of hitting a loser, as if you'd carried on after reaching your POS for the day?

E.g. 100 bets over 1 day, or 100 bets over 30 days.

You have the same statistical chance of hitting a loser, UNLESS, you have an edge in the earlier races.

Hope it makes sense, I'm just trying to add an angle to the debate and am enjoying your latest threads IMMENSELY!! :)

Cheers RP.
Earlier races, smaller fields, standout favorites (or false fav?). It's about all of these I believe but above all else.. I think it's more about our basic psychology of winning and loosing and making this work for us in a positive way.

Option 1; You take an early but smallish loss; It's harder to shut up shop but easier to walk away with your bank and bollocks intact

Option 2; You score an adequete predetermined return early doors (POS,POT,ROC etc etc); Again, it's harder to shut up shop but easier to walk away with your bank on the up (and a bigger pair?)

Either way you win in that you can walk away and come back to play another day. Just my two pennies, but they all seem to be stacking up for me with this strategy.

Give us a tune, Schmiley?


Cheers LG


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