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jakelee 1st September 2004 02:32 PM

AFL



OK guys, this is the formula for AFL starts/odds. You can use this formula to calculate the expected start from the odds on the favourite. It was quite different from the NRL formula, which looked more like a distribution. The AFL formula is kind of a modified exponential, with quite a bit of fudging from the line makers. I suspect the line is moved to try and maximize bookie profits, as it would be more subjective in a high-scoring game like AFL over NRL.

It seems that in AFL the bookies are a LOT more liberal with the relationship between starts and odds than the NRL. For instance, odds of $1.66 can vary from a start of -9.5 to -13.5. There is about a 3 point either-side shift in the lower starts, and in some places a 6 point movement in the higher starts.


ODDS = a / [ 1 + b * e^(-c * START) ]

OR

START = -Ln[(a / ODDS - 1) / b] / c

Where
a = 0.95
b = -0.58
c = -0.033

So for example, if the odds were 1.46

START = -Ln[ (0.95 / 1.46 - 1) / -0.58] / -0.033
= -Ln[ (0.65 - 1) / -0.58 ] / -0.033
= -Ln[ -0.35 / -0.58 ] / -0.033
= -Ln[ 0.60 ] / -0.033
= 0.51 / -0.033
= 15.55

The expected start is 15.5 +/- 3



This will work from about 1.01 to 1.90.

You might find it easier to copy this to a Excel SpreadSheet.

Jake.

moeee 1st September 2004 04:01 PM

Well done Jakelee,but I'm a bit lost.
Is e,that epsilon Naperian log thing?
And Ln,is that the log to the base e.

jakelee 1st September 2004 08:58 PM

Hello Moeee,

e is the exponential function. Read boffin stuff here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function

Most calculators have one, and it's usually labled "Exp". In excel you use the function exp(...). Basically, it's just a special number that has an infinite number of decimal places, but lucky for us the calculator has a good approximation!

So to do e^7, on the calculator you would do EXP -> 7.

And yes, Ln is Log to the base of e. Also known as the natural log.

moeee 2nd September 2004 10:44 AM

Jakelee.
How you showed an example of working out the start from odds,Can you do an example of a margin.Say if I thought a team would win by 15 points,could you do this example step by step to show the ODDS.

jakelee 2nd September 2004 11:50 AM

Quote:
On 2004-09-02 11:44, moeee wrote:
Jakelee.
How you showed an example of working out the start from odds,Can you do an example of a margin.Say if I thought a team would win by 15 points,could you do this example step by step to show the ODDS.



Like this:


ODDS = a / [ 1 + b * e^(-c * START) ]

Where
a = 0.95
b = -0.58
c = -0.033

ODDS = 0.95 / [ 1 - 0.58 * e^(0.033 * -15) ]
= 0.95 / [ 1 - 0.58 * e^(-0.495) ]
= 0.95 / [ 1 - 0.58 * 0.61 ]
= 0.95 / [ 1 - 0.353 ]
= 0.95 / 0.64
= 1.48




moeee 2nd September 2004 05:40 PM

Thank you Jakelee.

And if you played around with the values b and c,could it then work with the base ten?

Don't understand how e came into it.
Wasn't it supposed to be following a graph of tan?


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