Where are you jaffa?

Most of the dog bookies in Australia have gone broke in the last 5 years. In Qld, the few that have survived are the one's doing proper form.

It all depends on the particular dog and the other dogs around it. No shortcuts mate. Do your form properly and you will get to know the dogs and their habits and running style.

Good dogs bad Boxes
 

Macca,

While you may be a successful punter as you say, there are certain things that I would like to point out.I bet most of your winners aren't coming from 4, 6 or 5 to lessor extent.

What I was trying to say to the original post, is that if you can eave those boxes alone you are better off.

I am connected to one of the best greyhound training kennels is Qld at present and I know from fact with our own dogs who are currently racing, we have cringed lately with getting boxes 4 or 6 at Albion Pk and Gold Coast.

The trouble from these boxes to the first turn often puts you out of action as far as winning. We run places but $400 place against $3300 win makes a big difference.

One of the main reasons that there are so few bookies is the advent of Sky Channel and the Internet availability of Darwin Bet shops.

If people can stay in homes, clubs and pubs and get often as good as or better price ( betting best of 3 states) by being able to use phone or internet where you cant on course, why would they have to waste their time travelling to tracks like they used to and punt with only the on course bookies or the local tote. Aslo race clubs dont help by over pricing everything for sale to eat or drink or charge silly fees for 1 or 2 decent days racing all year.

As I haven't bet on Lismore or Casino for a while I will take note for next few weeks and see what boxes win and the general value there. $50,000 pools per race at these venues I do find hard to believe.

If you are winning Macca doing it your way , all the best and keep going. mate. Please feel free to contact me any time for private chat re Greyhounds
as might be able to help you

jsf_39@yahoo.com or jsf_39@hotmail.com

Cheers Jaffa

Thanks jaffa.

My stats reveal that I do not back as many winners from Boxes 4,5,6 as I do from 1,2,3,7,8. But when I do find a winner from the squeeze boxes I invariably get a good price.

I stand by what I said on the Tote pools at CASINO (not Lismore as this is a Tuesday night meeting with lots of other meetings competing).
Casino on Friday afternoons invariably hold $20,000 for the win at Supertab and $20,000 also at NSW TAB and about $10,000 in the Unitab pool. $50K in total for the win. Check out the historic results at Unitab and Tabcorp if you don't believe me. Lismore would be lucky to hold $20K in total for the win.

Regarding your comments on the demise of bookies: Your points are valid but there is no longer any online corporate bookie that offer "best tote" on the dogs. Centreracing did last year and got smashed. I got $20K out of them in 3 months. Others obviously got them for plenty - that's why they ceased giving Best Tote. You could only get on for a small amount at Best Tote anyway - the rest of the wager was paid at Home Tote.
IAS offer SuperPrice which guarantees to beat the second best dividend, Sportsbet and others offer Home Tote only with a small 2% bonus at best.
As I said in an earlier post on this thread, I only bet on the totes directly now - they never bar you and so long as the pools are OK, the totes will do me.

Don't you agree though that my original point on the dog's racing style is valid when assessing any dog from any box? My Casino Race 10 example from two Fridays ago I thought explained it clearly.Sometimes a dog will be suited in a middle box if it has the appropriate runners drawn alongside it. I love backing a Box 4 dog if it has a wide runner drawn in 5 and a mad railer in Box 3.
It is this very fact that makes it nearly impossible for a "systems" punter to win in the long run on greyhounds. The "system" will invariably be selecting dogs that on paper look the winner but perhaps they are not well boxed for the particular race in mind. Box 1 is sometimes a huge disadvantage especially if the dog wants to get off the track and run wide. Many false favourites are in Box 1 because of this fact. Box 1 is definately overbet especially if it is tipped by the radio announcer.

Evening Gents...know nothing about the dogs and have only lost $$ when attending the odd Cannington meetings here in Perth.

Really enjoyed reading your learned posts and interested in your point of views... Liked what you all had to say and made me want to read up more about the dogs etc lol.... keep up the good work!!

Friday night bets on the dogs were always popular at the local pub after work here- out West- as they were the only things running (along with the trots) and patrons (full of beer and a weeks pay) enjoy the odd flutter...small fields, races over quickly and no long waits for divvies to be posted and as someone kindly pointed out no worries about ordinary jockeys..

Whatever benefit you gain from your research Macca then its totally deserved and I hope it continues...most of the punters I know bet on the name they like or whatever brief info they have read pinned on the walls (obviously the tote makes the majority of their $$ from us part timers lol)...

Good punting!!!

Been out of dogs the last few years, Macca is right, you have to treat each race and the dogs in them on their merits, year after year though the stats come up with box 1 winning more races than any other, but i would back a dog from ANY box if it is drawn to get the right run, in saying that i never had much luck when my dogs drew 4 or 5 , but won heaps from the 1 & 8 .

cheers

Boxes vital criteria.
 

Hi guys, hows everyone.

Macca, I wasn't meaning to sound doubt about Caino, I thought you meant 1 tote held $50,000 by themselves on fri, sorry about misunderstanding.

As I said mate, you keep doing your form. I know it is great to get good price when you feel you have found one well drawn in bad box due to runners around them but often when drawn in middles, the other ************ dogs don't do their normal thing.

I totally agree about box1, some mad wide runners start fav from 1 when they are out of business after 10 metres by smashing into the 2 or 3 dog.

If ever I can help any of you with an info as I watch nearly every dog race shown on sky as I punt fulltime, please feel free.

Jaffa