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Raw Instinct 24th October 2007 09:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xanadu
Within a very short space of time, twice, I have witnessed a well-respected long-term race-caller nominate the wrong horse in a close finish.
I acknowledge that race-calling is a particularly demanding job but equally, it is very disconcerting to those punters whose runner is being incorrectly called.
Perhaps it is time to give this "trouper" a gentle tap on the shoulder(NB. not NSW).

Cheers.


Is it possible that this particular caller may have called his last Caulfield Cup last weekend as he has made some mistakes recently, I know it is a difficult job to get right all the time but he has made alot of mistakes over the last couple of years. I could have forgiven him last year in the Cox Plate however there could be nothing more nerve racking.

xanadu 25th October 2007 01:12 PM

Yeah Raw,

It is a particularly difficult, pressure occupation and I have nothing but admiration for our Aussie callers who are recognised as the best all around the world. Be it in Dubai, U.S.A. or HK these professionals have established themselves at the top of the tree.
I remember the icon Bert Bryant had to retire due to the blood vessels in the back of his eye bursting due to the incredible strain placed upon them.
However, time moves on and like the rest of us some of our skills that we took for granted, begin to wane.

Cheers.

Mark 25th October 2007 02:53 PM

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/st...5006021,00.html

xanadu 25th October 2007 03:22 PM

Thanks Mark,
Yes I have now read that article with great interest and some regret. Bryan has certainly had a stellar career during which he has held his own in an era when we have witnessed some of the cream of the race-calling ranks.
Everyone wishes him well and his replacement....Greg Miles?...is quickly establishing himself as a younger version of "the accurate one"....the one and only Bill Collins. NB. I'm not sure who will be stepping into the vacuum created with the departure of Bryan(one of Australia's best-ever callers), but Greg Miles would certainly be my nomination.

Cheers.

Raw Instinct 25th October 2007 07:35 PM

What was the name of the guy who used to call in Hong Kong he was from Cranborne I believe, I expected to see him take over somewhere when he got back home but I haven't heard from him since. I would have thought he would be a chance to take over this melbourne position.

Top Rank 25th October 2007 07:49 PM

Is it David Raphael you are trying to think of? (Not sure on the surname spelling)

Raw Instinct 26th October 2007 05:09 AM

Thats him Top Rank he is one of the better race callers I have heard

xanadu 3rd November 2007 05:24 PM

I watched a fair bit of the free-to -air coverage and I must say I was completely underwhelmed!
One panelist continued to defend the rides of some jockeys which, "fair dinkum" were "barrycrockers!"
So, I suppose of the three panelists, "2 out of 3 ain't bad" as expressed by the legendary Meatloaf.

Cheers.

xanadu 6th November 2007 04:10 PM

I watched the free-to-air coverage and one commentator stated that it would be hard for any rider to adjust from the Melbourne Cup to the next race. being a Listed race.
He overlooked the fact that these top echelon riders are consummate professionals and give their best in any race in which they compete.
As per M. Rodd's ride in MR8: D.H. 1.00plNSW

Cheers.

xanadu 12th January 2008 05:05 PM

In respect of the "Takeover Target" debacle haven't some of our media commentators gone missing!
Most have followed the "company line" that the decision was correct considering the evidence provided.
Well some of those "so-called" experts belong in the pre-crustsacean period...meaning..."no backbone."
Make no mistake....in the circles that I mix there is an undercurrent of discontent with how racing in NSW is being administrated.
We call for....No, WE DEMAND, that an independent ICAC official be appointed to the Stewards panel!
That is not asking too much is it....HK already have this system and look at how they administer their racing....the absolute pearl of world racing!
I'm looking for support here so please contribute your ideas to see whether we can get some results.

Cheers.

xanadu 12th January 2008 06:57 PM

We must question the professionalism of some commentators when they...."sheep-like" agree that the officials made the correct decision in this growing controversy.
I ask the question: .....Who benefited...certainly not the punters.....!
Where is the consistency in respect of previous similar occurences and potential future occurrences?
The officials have certainly opened a "pandoras box" of controversy which results in the complete undermining of public confidence in the way that NSW racing is being adminstered.
I, for one, will be monitoring their decisions in future similar occurrences.

Cheers.

xanadu 13th February 2008 05:56 PM

I am particularly concerned when a particular commentator says:
"If I was a betting man......!
Where is his credibility.....?
If he doesn't bet then how can he express his opinion in an authoritive and credible manner....?
Let's face it....we punters are continually let down by these rather supercilious comments by some "commentators" who do not necessarily do their homework.
Come on fellas ...do your job and get it right......!

Cheers.

xanadu 24th March 2008 02:16 PM

Who was that individual who appeared to mouth an expletive because his locks were being disturbed by a brisk breeze?
He then donned a cap which remedied his discomfort ..but what about an apology to the public?

Mr Quaddie 24th March 2008 03:44 PM

Most of these commentators indrectly get paid by the TAB, so they would not give out the winners. Their strikes rate sits around 20%. I could do that myself.

xanadu 24th March 2008 03:57 PM

Mr Quaddie,

Spot on.......!
I doubt if some of them would survive "on the punt!"
What about one bloke who doesn't even bet........!
Makes us wonder doesn't it?

Cheers.

crash 24th March 2008 04:09 PM

Consider this: Commentators and tipsters are having to make selections on all races. Now that's a big ask!

My wife used to work for the Herald Sun in Melb. The race tipsters and commentators cover 1/2 a floor in the building and they have to tip 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 100's of races plus write all the comments. Try it and see how you go.

Most of them rarely bet because they know it's a mugs game as far as trying to stay in front of the bookies go.Except for the tall story tellers, most of us here would have to agree with them.

xanadu 9th April 2008 03:23 PM

BR6,

the commentator tried his best to assure off-course punters that a "massive go" was on with a particular runner....but there was no way I would take any notice!
Result: this "hotpot" ran unplaced!
Fair dinkum...this bloke hasn't tipped a winner since "Noah was a boy!"
Work it out for yourself!
Perhaps he should enrol in the "Xanadu Academy For Tipping Excellence!"

Cheers.

Mr Quaddie 9th April 2008 08:01 PM

Which commentator was that? Cause the race caller picked FUHRNATIC, which won.

xanadu 19th April 2008 04:00 PM

I didn't back the Slipper winner but good luck to those that did.....!
HOWEVER,....in today's Daily Telegraph we witnessed the following quote:
"Undefeated filly who has been teamed up with 1995 Slipper winning hoop Glen Boss who should have no problems steering her into a winning position from the ideal draw."
"SHE.........?"
Sebring is a colt which undoubtedly is worth many millions of dollars after today's success!
Hmmmm........makes you/I wonder ... doesn't it.....hmmmm.....just call me "Mr. Mediawatch!"

Cheers.

xanadu 14th May 2008 05:42 PM

Who is that character that we in Racing circles have named: "the angry dwarf?
He is as wide as he is tall.......!
His opinions aren't taken seriously by any regular punters.
If you followed his "horses to follow" you would be dining at the soup kitchens provided by those angels, The Salvation Army."
Ask him ...does he back the very runners that he tips.....I think not!

Cheers.

xanadu 14th May 2008 07:07 PM

Yeah, sure, ......,
I ask again, does that individual actually back the runners that he suggests/tips.....I think not....!
You're kidding mate.............!

Cheers.

crash 15th May 2008 08:59 AM

If your talking about who I think your talking about, your dead wrong. Last Sat there were 2 tips: 30/1 and another to 11/1. Both won as stated as did the tip before that he never mentioned [Helideck ...twice in a row at good odds]. Why wouldn't he back his own tips?

JoeF 15th May 2008 06:35 PM

Crash ......PP ?
If so, yes he does back them.

xanadu 15th May 2008 06:45 PM

No fellahs,

This bloke has never tipped a "special" over 2/1.

Cheers.

xanadu 31st May 2008 04:00 PM

The "form analyst" in his review of upcoming races stated:
...I don't know....I haven't got a clue.......!
Well mate, a number of the listening public would agree!

Cheers.

xanadu 14th August 2008 01:28 PM

Why are certain media types "fawning" to a certain individual who was implicated in the jockeys tapes scandal....?
Terms such as "..good onya..good to see him back"...sicken the racing public!
What are their motives.......?
What about the ramblings of a certain "form analyst"- "the horse found itself unexpectedly back in the pack with nowhere to go."
Can someone tell this individual that horses are guided by the hoop!
His comments appear to be without any credibility as he appears to have a " biased view" to jockey's tactics...certainly not an ally of the punters!

Cheers.

Stix 14th August 2008 01:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xanadu
Can someone tell this individual that horses are guided by the hoop!

Cheers.
Ever had a horse/thoroughbred not go where you want it X?

High strung animals with wills of their own often don't want to go where you want them to.... I liken them to children under the age of 3 !

maverick1993 14th August 2008 06:44 PM

Huh ?? they only weigh atleast half a tonne of pure muscle and you've got that whole little peice of steel in their mouth as your sterering wheel !!

a monkey could ride those things around ;)

Stix 15th August 2008 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick1993
Huh ?? they only weigh atleast half a tonne of pure muscle and you've got that whole little peice of steel in their mouth as your sterering wheel !!

a monkey could ride those things around ;)
....clearly some do...and get paid for it :p

xanadu 23rd August 2008 01:44 PM

No brickbats this time....only bouquets.....!
This morning on Racing Radio 2KY the interviewee was Gai Waterhouse who was effusive in her summary of potential stable prospects today.
Although this a common feature of her personality I decided to heed her advice and much to my glee, results so far today have been:
SR1 4 Bianca WON $3.3w$1.7plNSW
SR3 3 Kishkat WON $2.9w$1.7plNSW
PR2 5 Fight And Defend WON $4.7w$2.1plNSW
and there may more to come later...well done by all.....!!

Cheers.

tevez17 23rd August 2008 01:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xanadu
No brickbats this time....only bouquets.....!
This morning on Racing Radio 2KY the interviewee was Gai Waterhouse who was effusive in her summary of potential stable prospects today.
Although this a common feature of her personality I decided to heed her advice and much to my glee, results so far today have been:
SR1 4 Bianca WON $3.3w$1.7plNSW
SR3 3 Kishkat WON $2.9w$1.7plNSW
PR2 5 Fight And Defend WON $4.7w$2.1plNSW
and there may more to come later...well done by all.....!!

Cheers.


Watch out for Glowlamp Later on in the day aswell! Big fan of this horse.

xanadu 23rd August 2008 02:37 PM

SR5,
The Waterhouse "machine factory" keeps churning them out today:
SR5 8 WON $3.0w$1.5plNSW

Cheers.

xanadu 13th September 2008 04:19 PM

Toowoomba R1 No.2, Que:
I heard a very respected commentator quote this runner as 'Kew" and I can assure him by way of "The Oxford Dictionary" that the correct spelling is "que" -pronounced: "kay" and "s derived from the Spanish language and highlighted in that immortal series: "Fawlty Towers" by "Manuel."
Hope that clarifies things.

Cheers.

xanadu 30th September 2008 04:56 PM

MR8,
What about the media representative "rabbiting on" about the prospects of the short-priced favourite in this race. Any form student disregarded this "advice" and wagered on their own choice because this character hasn't tipped a winner since "Noah was a boy" and those who know their scriptures would be aware that according to the Bible was more than 700years old when he built the Ark.
Lucky this bloke works for a living as he would "starve" on the punt!

Cheers.

xanadu 18th October 2008 05:15 PM

Toowoomba:
R1. 1 Que WON $3.0w$2.4plNSW
the commentator continued to pronounce this horse's name as "kew" and I can assure him that the spelling: "queue" is the correct pronunciation and "que" is pronounced "kay" as "Manuel" used to say.
Refer to the Oxford dictionary mate!
The government is trying to improve spelling and public speaking aptitude/standards and this irritating anomaly continues.....!

xanadu 21st October 2008 02:17 PM

Who is the panelist who is a non-punter and "brings nothing to the table" as far as his contributions to raceday result analysis is concerned?
He offers nothing to the punter(s) as far as form analysis is concerned and racing/form experts such as Sean Bartholomew and Dominic Beirne could provide a much better service to the betting public(imo).
In the meantime we long-suffering viewers(not for long) will have to tolerate his "putdowns" to other panelists, and I may add, he is the only one who shares in his mirth!
Anyone have any comments?

Cheers.

xanadu 4th November 2008 04:24 PM

I reiterate the comments of Alan Thomas who, today, praised Greg Miles for his call of the close finish in the Melbourne Cup.
As I said in a much earlier post I believe he is ready to assume the mantle of the legendary Bill Collins, "The Accurate One."
Good luck to him.

Cheers.

xanadu 8th November 2008 03:03 PM

I see the same "lame" panelist is still on a certain racing program.
In the circles in which I mix, people are threatening to "turn-off" if this individual is not "shown the door!"

darkydog2002 9th November 2008 02:40 PM

Here,s a system ( never been proven though )

Put a line through every tipsters selections and bet the rest .

i.e If there were 8 horses not tipped anywhere add 1 and Only bet those at $9.00 Plus.

Cheers.
darky.

xanadu 15th November 2008 05:39 PM

Fair dinkum.....!
Some of these "so-called egg-sperts" really need to have a good hard look at themselves!
A trained monkey could do better than some of them!
In fact an experiment was conducted and screened on Discovery Channel when a "monkey"(chimpanzee) randomly selected horses by pressing a buzzer for the runners which appealed to it.
Guess what.....it had a better record than more than half of the "turf egg-sperts" who actually are being paid for their so-called skills.
Makes you/me wonder doesn't it?

Cheers.


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