1. Charge Down (2) scr scr
2. Sir Honour (4) 9.30 5.50
3. Admiral Black (6) 10.20 2.30
4. Javajeem (7) scr scr
5. Scenic Smile (2) 8.20 3.40
6. Young Hector (7) 2.80 1.20
7. Contradiction (10) 9.60 2.70
8. Flink (1) 23.40 6.60
9. Gold Draco (8) 28.10 6.60
10. Joyce Doesn't Know (5) 26.40 4.60
11. Royal Crimson (3) 6.80 2.10
12. Song Of Alamo (9) 8.00 2.30
13. Night Wizard (10) scr scr


Just under an hour to go, looks like Young Hector might start short.

As you can see I have nothing better to do. :grin:

I have Sir Honour rating 3 1/2 lengths better than Admiral Black and 7 lengths better than Scenic Smile with Young Hector my only other qualifier.
Its been a good day so far and when you're on a roll.....

1. Charge Down (2) scr scr
2. Sir Honour (4) 3.60 1.04
3. Admiral Black (6) 4.50 1.60
4. Javajeem (7) scr scr
5. Scenic Smile (2) 10.90 3.90
6. Young Hector (7) 4.30 2.10
7. Contradiction (10) 13.60 4.40
8. Flink (1) 59.30 10.50
9. Gold Draco (8) 57.50 16.60
10. Joyce Doesn't Know (5) 22.40 6.20
11. Royal Crimson (3) 8.50 2.90
12. Song Of Alamo (9) 10.90 3.20
13. Night Wizard (10) scr scr

Get on fellas before it's too late, GeneralGym's special is now $3.60 & $1.04 :eek:

and some lunatics are backing Admiral Black :eek: :eek:

WIN/PLACE
11 7.40 2.10
12...............2.90
2...............1.70

QUINELLA (11-12) 26.10
EXACTA (11-12) 67.60
TRIFECTA
(11-12-2) 252.30
FIRST 4
(11-12-2-3) 1,098.40

(11) ROYAL CRIMSON (C.STAPLES)
(12) SONG OF ALAMO (D.RANDALL)
(2) SIR HONOUR (P.KNUCKEY)

SCR - 1,4,13

Sorry fellas but no beginners luck at tipping there still a place out for the each way betters.

A solid effort first time over 2000m by the horse and will be better for the run so maybe next time.

No result for me Win or bust....... but races are like buses...... there will be another one along in a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!

No apologies needed GeneralGym, Sir Honour did make up a lot of ground in the straight and as predicted by Sandgroper and confirmed by yourself, will improve on his first middle distance start and another run under his belt.

On the positive side with the help of becareful and the ever reliable Sandgroper (not that he gives out his rated selections anymore :smile:

Thanks Paddy, I'll go again on the 2nd at Ascot.
I have them rated as follows
Metal Maiden
1/2 len Time Is Money
1L Miss Torpago
21/2L Dedicated Miss
31/2L Shes Captivating
The other 2 don't qualify for me to rate.

Definate distance query for Time is money and a possible one for She's Captivating.
Miss Torpago to lead with Metal Maiden handy which leaves Shes Captivating midfield and Dedicated Miss back but it is a small field and She's Captivating could scoot home with Dedicated Miss from close positions.
I'm with Metal Maiden to win again with either Dedicated Miss or She's Captivating 2nd/3rd, and Miss Torpago sticking on.

Comments appreciated prior to the running.

We’ll be cheering Hardrada in Melbourne and at 3.50pm all eyes on Northerly’s trial, but there are 8 winners at Ascot, here are a few thoughts…..(and good to see P Harvey back)..Rail 12m!

R2 – Slightly different to General Gym's assessments but it's an open race. No standout selection so chances are … Miss Torpago apparently in season when scratched last week. Must beat Metal Maiden at the weights and might settle outside lead, just may need this run. Dedicated Miss been unlucky/in season/wide last couple. Shes Captivating has to be there somewhere and less traffic to get through today. I'll play this race if Time Is Money is shortish, a risk to me.

R3 – Bonnie Brae might take a sit behind the improving Island Temptress. I think Halopak is very well weighted on its best and sure to get a soft run, maybe settle a touch closer. Bonnie Brae can win as well. Bronze City has a 6.5kg pull over Polish Edition for 1.3 len defeat 2 sts ago and raced well 1st run over 1600m last start.

R4 – 2 main chances for me are 3 Warning Tune or 4 Kingston Blaze. (1 Money is Magic is the other hope but needs things his way back in the field. No to My True Choice). Maybe Warning Tune(on the up) to lead Kingston Blaze(big run 2sts ago). I’ll go 3 to beat 4 in a good race.

R5 – be careful, 6 are resuming, 4 are 2nd-up.

R6 – Good clash. With JClaite back on, look to Comeback Kid racing a little further back and suiting it, just needs to slot in somewhere. Last start was very good on pace effort. Poliwhirl gave Comeback Kid windburn last 100m last start but up to 56.5kg now and the Kid is cherry ripe.. Argentina could go forward this time and put in much improved run.

R7 – 30k 3YOF Classic. Owner’s dream is Femme. 14 sts, 124k prizemoney. Today up 2kg & 100m on last start will test her. I’ll go 3 Market Wrap to overhaul her. Landed good plunge last start and improving every run. I’ll risk Moon Talk which could settle outside Femme, the first starters could be up there as well. Also risk Miss Belhus and it’s Jessica Roesler’s first ride in town.

R8 – 2sts ago Super Moss ran 4th in the 2400m Cox Stakes. Do we base his chances on this run? I’m not but I could be wrong. It’s an ugly race to end the day. Tango Man(4th bar.1 in row!)will at least have a soft run to produce his best. Charming Story is race and distance fit. Party Boy with blinkers off is down to lightest weight in ages, rough rough hope.

Top day to all.


[ This Message was edited by: red on 2003-02-01 07:40 ]

Ah yes, Ascot race 2, the "She's Captivating Handicap" :grin:

Thanks for steering me onto the first four at Pinjara on Thursday Sandgroper, paid a bit over $1K.

I might have a bit EW on the roughie of the field at Ascot race 2 today - (7) Summer Surprise, but what do I know, I'm just a girl :smile:

Many thanks to Red and the team as I backed off Metal Maiden and boxed 4 in a tri including her. Nice result with a $124 tri.
Shows what teamwork can do.
I fancy Market Wrap in the seventh as well Red and might have a look.
After the Flemington bias today I give up there!!! I'll stick to the WA consistancy.

A bit of a review on yesterday's action but to go along with you General Gym about Perth consistency. Sydney and Melbourne have better racing infra-structure, prizemoney, training centres, gallopers, trainers, jockeys etc but so what? There is no reason to be less confident in Perth racing/stewards control than other states. Prizemoney is on the increase as well.
This track was fast.
R2 - Great front running display from Miss Torpago with a fast 1st split. Trouble again for Dedicated Miss, could be one of those.
R3 – Lost in this. This week’s bolter(Turn to Dream) in hindsight not a huge surprise. Broke its maiden after 17runs, just needs a little speed on its races. Bonnie Brae didn't run the 1600m?
R4 – Deserved win by Kingston Blaze, won’t get in with 53.5kg for a while. My True Choice back to its 33/1 form(didn’t handle the 1600m).
R5 – Manjar Magic 3 wide t/o, gotta respect that.
R6 – Very fast time to Comeback Kid. Blinded beat the others easily, there’s a race in town for him soon.
R7 – Speaking of great front running displays. Femme, 1.10.43, by 3len with 58kg. All credit to her. Moon Talk’s best still ahead.
R8 – Double for JClaite with well timed run on Fore Stay.
Have a top week.




[ This Message was edited by: red on 2003-02-02 05:58 ]

Summer Surprise ran a nice race at 20/1 to finish just 2.5 length behind the winner. Also did beat Metal Maiden home. Since discovered that SS has an excellent 2nd-up record. :wink:

Race 4 at Geraldton looks like a 3 horse race and could be as simple as 1,2,3.

I also fancy Gabor in the first with Yan Chin and Nacagina the dangers.

I have noticed that the Geraldton times when it comes to pace handicapping seem to rate quicker than some other tracks. Anyone else feel the same??

I see not much joy at Geraldton yesterday, GeneralGym. But there is always next time. Things can only get better :wink:

200/1 for the tipping comp.

Would tip the wrong one in a 2 horse race at the moment.

I see Sir Honour is in the first at Ascot tomorrow.

Paddy,
Try backing up on She's Captivating again at Ascot tomorrow. She should break her run of seconds and be first over the line, against an ordinary field. Hope the odds aren't too skinny.
Good punting

Racing is more than sport when you see what Murphy’s Blu Boy has done for the Goondiwindi town, with severe drought and all. Today flying the WA flag is Northerly in the Orr, Irish Pride in the JRA, and for the trot fans Baltic Eagle in the Victoria Cup at Moonee Valley.
Rail back to normal, some good races ..ripper day……..

R1 – Paddy,Rain Lover, most others, would’ve noticed the handicapper’s given She’s Captivating 1kg more than last weeks good effort. With the claim and a good apprentice is very well in. Recall a Storm is fitter and was consistent this distance last prep. Early, Sapphire Star could cross My True Choice, Nikita Blue & Recall a Storm up there as well.

R3 – Twin City Girl is 3rd up, had a taste of Open Company last start and ran a big 4th.Looks ready to salute. Can’t get trial info on Old Beau, won 1st up last prep and top 2nd to Kim Storm in Nov. Triconya was a good 1stup win at Bunbury, on the up. I’ll risk Quasarock and hope it’s short enough to back a few.

R5 – Not much confidence here. Either follow the Main Stage form(a few with weight pulls against him) or look elsewhere. Dedicated Miss is up to a new distance, drops to lightest weight in ages and due for some luck. Paradiddle drawn well and should run a much improved race.

R6 – We should see a much sharper Field Commander. Just need to slot in somewhere midfield. Regal Tactic has improved in the last few runs and is a hope, and Risca Flight is well drawn for a rough chance. I’ll risk the toppie.

R7 – Good race. Tribulations can go fast early so it’ll be interesting to see if SMiller hands up to McGruddy on Inzaghi(I think he will). Burrington Coombe not far from them settling. Inzaghi went very hard in front at its first attempt at 1600m last start and held on well for 3rd. I’ll tip Mixed Lad to pounce on these after getting a good run and finding a split near the turn. Tribulations is fitter and a definite chance. He might reel in Inzaghi first. Inzaghi if left completely alone can steal it but I’ll go 4->6.

R8 - Best race the last, unlike last week. Blinkers on Ebony Magic. Kensyl Bay is 9kg over minimum(12 if you include full allowance on bottom weight!). Family Dreams steps into Open company for the 1st time. Will get back and be giving good horses a decent start but this race suits her. If you can forget Fireband’s last start then he’s a chance 3rd up. Distance looks a bit short for Kames Hope but he’s very honest and has a good barrier.

Top day to all.

[ This Message was edited by: red on 2003-02-08 06:23 ]

Agree Rain Lover, She's Captivating in with a good chance. Also like Glitzy Show in the same race, although I see red hasn't given this horse a mention.

As red has pointed out, we have both Northerly and Irish Pride :smile: running at Caulfield today. Also don't forget Metal Reign also running today and Trimagic at Flemmo tomorrow.

Looks to be plenty of value today at Ascot.

R1: Not a lot of early speed, could play into the hands of the bottom two. She's Captivating to finish over the top, agree with Paddy, Glitzy Show a big danger, Belle De Plume could be placed at odds.

R2: Of the raced brigade, Amigo Lass and Elite Business look the main hopes, Buster's Yousha should go well first-up.


R3: Twin City Girl should be too classy, Quasarock hard to be over the shorter distance, Dolly Ziuto well drawn. At odds also include Crystal Clear & Very Auspicious.


R4: Not a lot of speed, could play into the hands of Joy Of The Dance. Plain Jo and Essential Terms next best.


R5: Looks to be speed. Clan Noble well weighted, looks hardest to beat. Topweight Main Stage a big danger. Tapdog for third.


R6: Speed should be on. Agree with red, Field Commander should go close, Conspirator and Itu Dia dangers.


R7: Plenty of speed. Should suit Mixed Lad, Tribulations a danger, can come from behind, Burrington Coombe next best.


R8: Think Fireband will be a touch too classy, Family Dreams an obvious danger, Kame's Hope, Fred Who & Zabaset not far away.

Hi, bit of a review of yesterday’s action. Excellent finish by Irish Pride for 2nd at Caulfield and payed for the trip earning connections $15k. In the Orr, Fred would be very happy with Northerly’s close 4th.

R1 – Well done Paddy,El Gordo on Glitzy Show, hope you both got some of that 3/1. In fluctuations She’s Captivating was the one you didn’t want to be on (about 13/8 -> 5/2). Poor ride but its part of pre-analysis, where will it settle, what pace etc etc. I got that wrong. In a field with more runners/speed she could break through. My True Choice, take away it’s 33/1 win 2 sts ago and it has shocking form, had every chance in front.

R3 – Make Mine Scotch(11/1) was the cry at the bar for those who backed either of the favorites. Twin City Girl had its chance. Quasarock wasn’t left alone by Triconya, both dropped right out.

R4 – Double to PKnuckey on Essential Terms. Flashing 3rd was Arrian, won 2ndup last prep. so worth a look next race.
(Alan Sansom is having a run of outs).

R5 – Good odds again Main Stage(9/2->7/2), now 3 wins from last 4 and again ran a fast last sectional.

R6 – Every chance Field Commander. Plonk of the day Regal Tactic (5/1->7/2) was a bit wide still ran well as this was on pace dominated. Winner Bandolero had an easy time in front and now won last 2.

R7 – Outstanding win to Inzaghi, they look great in front with sustained speed.The surprise was how short Tribulations was and they took the 6/4 early. Good run Beyond Dispute, probably go up in distance now. Shocker to Mixed Lad, stewards report please.

R8 – Double to JWhiting as the real Fireband produced today swamped them. Hope you got the 4s El Gordo. Family Dreams less than ¾ len away came home well. Forget Ebony Magic went around.

Top week to all.

Hi guys great to see people taking about perth racing i my self live in brissy but love to bet on perth.Any way my question is, does any one listen to track talk of a tuesday or thursday morning and if you do could you maybe pass on bj ryans best track workers from ascot in the post every friday it would be a great help i cannot listen as i am at work so miss it with the time difference anyway if anyone could help that would be great as i maybe able to help out with track work in brissy to give something back.Also did anyone see old beau run yesterday and if you did thoughts would be great good punting to all.

Hi the prince. Old Beau did look well above himself in the mounting yard before the race, and obvious would need the run. A bit slow out from a wide alley, he settled around 2nd / 3rd last on the fence. Coming to the turn he would have been around 9lens off the lead. Move out wide as they straightened up, made a long sustained run about four / five horses out, to be beaten 2.75len. Probably looking for a bit of distance this campaign. Rated his run around 1.75len below his best to-date.

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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2003-02-10 09:52 ]

Hello Perth Placegetter, nice to see you're still smiling after the past few days of very hot weather over your way. :wink:

Anyhow, a bit of interesting Perth stuff, courtesy The West Australian website:


WA'S racing showcase, the Ascot summer carnival, may get a new-look international-style race to provide a grand slam into its two premier sprints.

The WA Turf Club is considering introducing a 2100m feature to follow the $500,000 Railway Stakes (1600m) and $300,000 Fruit 'N' Veg Stakes (1800m).

The race would provide WA with a Cox Plate-distance feature, a significant development given that 2000m racing is now internationally recognised as the premium trip for champagne horse racing.

The new feature may be slotted in to fill a 24-day gap between the Fruit 'N' Veg Stakes and the $350,000 Perth Cup (3200m).

The proposal comes on the back of a record-breaking summer carnival at which betting and attendance figures underlined a major resurgence for the racing industry.

"Racing over 2000m to 2100m is now the international benchmark for class events," WATC chairman Ted Van Heemst said. "Features are coming back from the former traditional 2400m.

"You have to be constantly reviewing things. The focus is on trying to improve our industry to give us the best result. It is an issue we will address."

The Ascot track cannot support a 2000m event because the start area would fall too close to the home turn. But it would require only minor modifications to install a 2100m start, with a maximum field of 14.

There have been calls from the industry for a 2100m start because the present 400m gap, between 1800m and 2200m starts, is not ideal. The preferred option would be to have a start in the middle.

Van Heemst said he understood criticism that the Ascot carnival was too long because it stretched from late November until January 1.

He also said the committee accepted that interstate competition was unlikely because of Perth's isolation and the superior stakes offered in Melbourne and Sydney.

"We've got to recognise there is the Nullarbor and prize money differential," he said. "What we must do is maximise what we can do here. If we get external competition that is great."

The club hopes to lift the profile of the Channel Nine Stakes (1200m) by raising its stakes to give the carnival a principal short-course sprint.

"With the restructuring of the industry in August, we will be doing our budget a bit earlier this year," Van Heemst said.

"Race programming and a review of prize money will be closely looked at."

Growth on the revamped Ascot carnival, at which the Railway was pushed back into late November and the WATC Derby and WA Oaks shifted to the autumn in 2001, has been good.

Figures show that betting at meetings featuring the Fruit 'N' Veg, Railway and Channel Nine Stakes, as well as the Perth Cup, was up 11.6 per cent on 2000 and 30.9 per cent up on 1999. At three of the four days, on-course tote records were set.