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walkermac 3rd November 2015 10:42 AM

Here's my go. Combining computer ratings and human tweaks:

1 - Fame Game
The deserved favourite, but probably not as strong a chance as the odds would suggest. The popularity is for two reasons: his run in the Caulfield Cup, and his run in the Tenno Sho. Both of these saw Fame Game absolutely flying late, spectacularly swerving through runners – but neither resulted in victory. Today’s barrier draw gives him opportunity to find good position, save gas and finish in his trademark style, but he’ll still need luck in running. His record at Group 1 & 2 races show how hit and miss his finishing style is, with only 1 victory (and 2 places) from 10 races. In his favour is his strong record at the distance (where many runners in this field have not even attempted it before), the strength of his competitors in Japanese staying racing and that – if he gets clear running – he has the best finish in the race. Should still be favourite, but at odds around $7-$8 (the < $4 on offer earlier in the week was just silly)

2 - Trip To Paris
The market is a bit closer to getting the price right with second favourite Trip To Paris. His run in the Caulfield Cup was nearly as eye-opening as Fame Game’s, but it resulted in an actual (narrow) second placing. Trip To Paris has one of the best records at the race distance with 3 wins and 2 placings from 6 starts. Boasting a far better record at group level (1w-2p/4 G1 and G2’s) and racing in a handier position, he probably deserves equal favouritism. I think my top 2 are a margin ahead of the rest of the field; so long as they get clear running they'll give it a shake.

3 - Criterion
Criterion has had a fantastic return to Australia: winning the Caulfield Stakes and finishing second to Winx in the Cox Plate. That he is one of the country’s premier middle distance runners (if not *the* premier racer) is not in question, what is in question: can he make 3200m? His victory at 2400m on a heavy track in the Australian Derby last year seems to imply he might; the record of his siblings, along with the record of his sire’s progeny, says that he’s pushing the limits as it is. He has a potentially great barrier for his running style and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Criterion leading midway down the straight. Whether he’ll have the legs or enough break on the fast finishers to stay on is another matter.

4 - Preferment
One of those fast finishers will likely be Preferment. Piloted by Australia’s most in-form jockey Hugh Bowman, who was so keen for the ride he basically hasn’t eaten this week to make the weight. Bowman’s last two rides on Preferment saw him first past the post, but they were at far shorter distances. As Criterion above, Preferment’s longest race (a victory) was over 2500m, but then only in 3yo company (the Victoria Derby). His trainer Chris Waller is in incredible form though and has shown he can target the big races.

5 - The United States
Stepping out to longer odds now, at $21 we find The United States. Hugh Bowman was actually aboard in his last race, which saw him break the Moonee Valley track record over 2500m. Hugh has shown great nous in selecting the likeliest rides, so that leaves Preferment ahead. But if you’re looking for a replacement rider, then one of the world’s best in Joao Moreira is a handy replacement. Has had one of the shortest careers in the field thus far (this is his first Group 1 race) but is certainly on the way up.

6 - Who Shot Thebarman
Third placegetter from last year’s Melbourne Cup. The winner Protectionist bombed this season and will be watching the race from a paddock someplace. Second placegetter Red Cadeaux will be in the field again, but at 10 years old is surely just here for a (near) victory lap – then again we said that last year and look what happened. Battling similarly we find Who Shot Thebarman, who hasn’t exactly been setting the track on fire this Spring. He doesn’t have a great record at the highest level of racing, but what he does have in his favour is experience at the distance, a pretty good barrier, a good record at this stage in his preparation, and leading trainer Chris Waller pulling the strings.

7 - Our Ivanhowe
Was praying for rain this week, but it looks like a dry day in Melbourne. Terrible barrier, no experience at the distance, but plenty of class. A placegetter in his last two Australian runs, he’s shown he has a big engine but is probably lacking a late finishing kick. If he chooses to go forward from his wide gate there is a chance of him being close to the lead into the straight. Then, if the early race speed wasn’t great, or any track bias is in his favour, or his chasers get held up, he could take some running down.

8 - Hartnell
Was actually the Melbourne Cup favourite up until Fame Game’s nomination, but has never really been part of the equation since. Has run and won at 3200m before but never proven adept at racing in the Victorian direction. Great at this stage of his preparation and backup, he’s only got a pass mark at Group 1/2 level though (1w-2p/7). This, along with a poor barrier and middling form of late, shuffles him down the order – in spite of his ability.

9 - Bondi Beach
The youngest and least experienced runner in the field. Only 5 races into his career, it’s a wonder he got an invite. He has certainly shown some talent: never finishing outside the top 2, nor further than 0.5 lengths from the leader (and beaten some proven stars along the way). One almost gets the feeling that this is more of a reconnaissance mission that a real tilt. Never ran in a field greater than 9 runners and drew an average barrier, but has plenty of potential. Likely too soon.

10 – Snow Sky
The topweight doesn’t have a great record in the Melbourne Cup, and this guy certainly isn’t demanding I include him in my top 10 picks. He’s part of a bunch (including Excess Knowledge, Almoonqith and Grand Marshal) that are at about the same level. Snow Sky gets the nod given he’s second up and shows every indication of running out the distance.

Sportz 3rd November 2015 11:58 AM

Hey Walkermac, you should be posting today in our tipping comp.

kumite 3rd November 2015 12:57 PM

normally only play exotics this race

Criterion
Fame Game
Hartnell
Hokko Brave
Trip To Paris
The United States

rhino82 3rd November 2015 01:46 PM

Top 6 from me

Fame Game
Trip To Paris
Preferment
The Offer
Almoonqith
Criterion

rhino82 3rd November 2015 01:51 PM

Outsiders worth a look

Red Cadeaux
Sky Hunter
Grand Marshal

Sands 3rd November 2015 01:59 PM

Firmers

2. Criterion $20 into $18
9. Red Cadeaux $31 into $21
10. Trip To Paris $8 into $6.50
15. Preferment $10 into $9
21. Sertorius $101 into $81

Sands 3rd November 2015 03:25 PM

In retrospect, inside barriers were the go.

Rogan Josh 3rd November 2015 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandgroper
These horses in particular should appreciate the Good4 today

Big Orange
Quest For More
Almoonqith
Prince Of Penzance

Fame Game all his starts have been on good or firm tracks

Thankfully saw your post, cheers mate :)

kiwiz 4th November 2015 11:11 AM

Missed all the action,,was still recovering from the RWC :)
First & third in the Cup foaled & reared in NZ ;)
Prince of Penzance (Rich Hill Stud)
Criterion (Blandford Lodge)

Rogan Josh 21st November 2015 12:48 PM

Sad news, Red Cadeaux has been euthanased due to the injury sustained in the Melbourne Cup earlier this month.

Pulled up in the final straight of this year's race & it was later confirmed he suffered a break in his left foreleg.

Experts at the University of Melbourne Equine Centre, where the 'Big Red' had been staying since the race, said the loss of blood flow to the leg could not be fixed.

darkydog2002 21st November 2015 02:16 PM

Tragic news.

Thanks for sharing.
darky

kumite 22nd November 2015 12:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogan Josh
Sad news, Red Cadeaux has been euthanased due to the injury sustained in the Melbourne Cup earlier this month.

Pulled up in the final straight of this year's race & it was later confirmed he suffered a break in his left foreleg.

Experts at the University of Melbourne Equine Centre, where the 'Big Red' had been staying since the race, said the loss of blood flow to the leg could not be fixed.

very sad Red Cadeaux didn't get to enjoy his well deserved retirement

Sands 28th November 2015 08:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandgroper
These horses in particular should appreciate the Good4 today

Big Orange
Quest For More
Almoonqith
Prince Of Penzance

Fame Game all his starts have been on good or firm tracks

Hopefully you had something on PoP, Sandgroper

Sands 30th November 2015 02:51 PM

Finish No. Horse Trainer Jockey Margin Bar. Weight Starting Price
1 19 Prince Of Penzance Darren Weir Ms Michelle Payne 1 53kg $101
2 8 Max Dynamite William Mullins Frankie Dettori 0.5L 2 55kg $13
3 2 Criterion David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Michael Walker 1.25L 4 57.5kg $19
4 10 Trip To Paris Ed Dunlop Tommy Berry 2L 14 55kg $6
5 5 Big Orange Michael Bell Jamie Spencer 2.4L 23 55.5kg $61
6 24 Gust Of Wind John Sargent Chad Schofield 2.6L 19 51kg $41
7 23 Excess Knowledge Gai Waterhouse Kerrin McEvoy 3.1L 24 51kg $31
8 13 The Offer Gai Waterhouse Damien Oliver 3.3L 13 54kg $31
9 16 Quest For More Roger Charlton Damian Lane 3.8L 21 53.5kg $81
10 4 Our Ivanhowe Lee & Anthony Freedman Ben Melham 3.9L 22 56kg $21
11 11 Who Shot Thebarman Chris Waller Blake Shinn 4L 6 54.5kg $21
12 21 Sertorius Jamie Edwards Craig Newitt 4.75L 5 52.5kg $101
13 3 Fame Game Yo********ada Munakata Zac Purton 5.5L 12 57kg $5F
14 22 The United States Robert Hickmott Joao Moreira 5.7L 3 52.5kg 2.5kg $21
15 6 Hartnell John O'Shea James McDonald 5.9L 17 55.5kg $31
16 20 Bondi Beach Aidan O'Brien Brett Prebble 6.2L 18 52.5kg $21
17 7 Hokko Brave Yasutoshi Matsunaga Craig Williams 6.4L 20 55.5kg $41
18 17 Almoonqith David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Dwayne Dunn 6.9L 10 53kg 1.0kg $17
19 18 Kingfisher Aidan O'Brien Colm O'Donoghue 7L 9 53kg $61
20 15 Preferment Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 14L 11 53.5kg $9
21 14 Grand Marshal Chris Waller Jim Cassidy 14.75L 15 53.5kg $61
22 12 Sky Hunter Saeed Bin Suroor William Buick 16L 7 54kg $31
23 1 Snow Sky Sir Michael Stoute Ryan Moore 18.25L 16 58kg $51
FF 9 Red Cadeaux Ed Dunlop Gerald Mosse 8 55kg $26

Sands 30th November 2015 02:53 PM

Full result for those that missed it

Finish No. Horse Trainer Jockey Margin Bar. Weight Starting Price
1 19 Prince Of Penzance Darren Weir Ms Michelle Payne 1 53kg $101
2 8 Max Dynamite William Mullins Frankie Dettori 0.5L 2 55kg $13
3 2 Criterion David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Michael Walker 1.25L 4 57.5kg $19
4 10 Trip To Paris Ed Dunlop Tommy Berry 2L 14 55kg $6
5 5 Big Orange Michael Bell Jamie Spencer 2.4L 23 55.5kg $61
6 24 Gust Of Wind John Sargent Chad Schofield 2.6L 19 51kg $41
7 23 Excess Knowledge Gai Waterhouse Kerrin McEvoy 3.1L 24 51kg $31
8 13 The Offer Gai Waterhouse Damien Oliver 3.3L 13 54kg $31
9 16 Quest For More Roger Charlton Damian Lane 3.8L 21 53.5kg $81
10 4 Our Ivanhowe Lee & Anthony Freedman Ben Melham 3.9L 22 56kg $21
11 11 Who Shot Thebarman Chris Waller Blake Shinn 4L 6 54.5kg $21
12 21 Sertorius Jamie Edwards Craig Newitt 4.75L 5 52.5kg $101
13 3 Fame Game Yo********ada Munakata Zac Purton 5.5L 12 57kg $5F
14 22 The United States Robert Hickmott Joao Moreira 5.7L 3 52.5kg 2.5kg $21
15 6 Hartnell John O'Shea James McDonald 5.9L 17 55.5kg $31
16 20 Bondi Beach Aidan O'Brien Brett Prebble 6.2L 18 52.5kg $21
17 7 Hokko Brave Yasutoshi Matsunaga Craig Williams 6.4L 20 55.5kg $41
18 17 Almoonqith David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Dwayne Dunn 6.9L 10 53kg 1.0kg $17
19 18 Kingfisher Aidan O'Brien Colm O'Donoghue 7L 9 53kg $61
20 15 Preferment Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 14L 11 53.5kg $9
21 14 Grand Marshal Chris Waller Jim Cassidy 14.75L 15 53.5kg $61
22 12 Sky Hunter Saeed Bin Suroor William Buick 16L 7 54kg $31
23 1 Snow Sky Sir Michael Stoute Ryan Moore 18.25L 16 58kg $51
FF 9 Red Cadeaux Ed Dunlop Gerald Mosse 8 55kg $26

Sands 30th November 2015 03:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands
13 3 Fame Game Yo********ada Munakata Zac Purton 5.5L 12 57kg $5F

That should read

13 3 Fame Game Yosh itada Munakata Zac Purton 5.5L 12 57kg $5F

Sands 13th December 2015 07:26 AM

Runner-up Max Dynamite will be back next year according to trainer Willie Mullins
Mullins said the horse, which had mixed both jumps and flat racing this season, would be an even better chance in 12 months time
“He probably won’t jump next year and I think his main aim next year will be to come back here again."

kiwiz 28th December 2015 07:36 PM

And let's not forget that this years winner,,Prince Of Penzance,,was bred in NZ :)
Prince of Penzance is by Pentire,,a sire from Rich Hill Stud in Waikato
He was a late season foal initially going to the Karaka Yearling Sale where he was ignored by buyers around the auction ring and passed-in
Sold privately later for $50,000


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