Current fixed odds market, 50/1 & under:

No. Selection Win Place
223 Private Steer $4.00 $1.75
254 Starcraft $4.50 $1.85
151 Elvstroem $5.00 $2.00
167 Grand Armee $6.50 $2.35
212 Northerly $9.00 $3.00
158 Fields of Omagh $11.00 $3.50
137 Delzao $17.00 $5.00
156 Fastnet Rock $17.00 $5.00
149 Elegant Fashion $21.00 $6.00
197 Makybe Diva $21.00 $6.00
153 Epalo $26.00 $7.25
217 Paolini $26.00 $7.25
187 King's Chapel $34.00 $9.25
174 Hugs Dancer $51.00 $13.50
207 Natural Blitz $51.00 $13.50
221 Pentastic $51.00 $13.50
233 Savabeel $51.00 $13.50
279 Winning Belle $51.00 $13.50
281 Zagalia $51.00 $13.50

Market movement – current top 10

Private Steer $4.00 WAS $4.00
Starcraft $4.50 WAS $3.00
Elvstroem $5.00 WAS $10.00
Grand Armee $6.50 WAS $6.00
Northerly $9.00 WAS $7.50
Fields of Omagh $11.00 WAS $13.00
Delzao $17.00 WAS $10.00
Fastnet Rock $17.00 WAS $13.00
Elegant Fashion $21.00 WAS $21.00
Makybe Diva $21.00 WAS $41.00

Third Acceptances:

No Horse Trainer Weight
1 DISTINCTLY SECRET (NZ) Mark Walker 58
2 FIELDS OF OMAGH Tony McEvoy 58
3 GRAND ARMEE Gai Waterhouse 58
4 HUGS DANCER (FR) Tony McEvoy 58
5 NATURAL BLITZ Doug Harrison 58
6 NORTHERLY Fred Kersley 58
7 PAOLINI (GER) Andreas Wohler 58
8 PENTASTIC Colin Alderson 58
9 SILKY RED BOXER (NZ) Heather Weller 58
10 DELZAO Greg Kavanagh 56.5
11 ELVSTROEM Tony Vasil 56.5
12 KING'S CHAPEL Mark Walker 56.5
13 STARCRAFT (NZ) Garry Newham 56.5
14 ELEGANT FASHION David Hayes 55.5
15 MAKYBE DIVA (GB) Lee Freedman 55.5
16 MISS POTENTIAL Bill Borrie 55.5
17 OUR EGYPTIAN RAINE (NZ) Grahame Begg 55.5
18 PRIVATE STEER John O'Shea 55.5
19 ZAGALIA (NZ) Clarry Conners 55.5
20 WINNING BELLE (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 54
21 FASTNET ROCK Paul Perry 48.5
22 PUBLIC OPINION Gillian Heinrich 48.5
23 SAVABEEL Graeme Rogerson 48.5
24 TIRADE Mathew Ellerton 48.5

Current fixed odds market:

No. Selection Win Place
254 Starcraft $3.75 $1.65
223 Private Steer $4.00 $1.75
151 Elvstroem $6.00 $2.25
167 Grand Armee $6.00 $2.25
212 Northerly $9.00 $3.00
158 Fields of Omagh $11.00 $3.50
137 Delzao $17.00 $5.00
156 Fastnet Rock $17.00 $5.00
149 Elegant Fashion $21.00 $6.00
197 Makybe Diva $21.00 $6.00
217 Paolini $26.00 $7.25
187 King's Chapel $34.00 $9.25
174 Hugs Dancer $51.00 $13.50
207 Natural Blitz $51.00 $13.50
221 Pentastic $51.00 $13.50
233 Savabeel $51.00 $13.50
279 Winning Belle $51.00 $13.50
281 Zagalia $51.00 $13.50
215 Our Egyptian Raine $67.00 $17.50
144 Distinctly Secret $81.00 $21.00
267 Tirade $81.00 $21.00
200 Miss Potential $126.00 $32.25
243 Silky Red Boxer $151.00 $38.50
225 Public Opinion $301.00 $76.00

Current market excluding Private Steer & Northerly:


No. Selection Win Place
254 Starcraft $2.50 $1.25
151 Elvstroem $4.50 $1.65
167 Grand Armee $4.50 $1.65
158 Fields of Omagh $7.50 $2.50
149 Elegant Fashion $13.00 $3.50
137 Delzao $15.00 $4.50
156 Fastnet Rock $17.00 $5.00
197 Makybe Diva $17.00 $4.00
217 Paolini $17.00 $4.00
187 King's Chapel $21.00 $5.00
174 Hugs Dancer $51.00 $13.50
221 Pentastic $51.00 $11.00
233 Savabeel $51.00 $11.00
279 Winning Belle $51.00 $13.50
281 Zagalia $51.00 $11.00
207 Natural Blitz $67.00 $17.50
215 Our Egyptian Raine $67.00 $17.50
267 Tirade $67.00 $15.00
144 Distinctly Secret $101.00 $21.00
200 Miss Potential $126.00 $21.00
243 Silky Red Boxer $151.00 $38.50
225 Public Opinion $301.00 $51.00

Current fixed odds market:

Selection Win Place
Grand Armee $3.25 $1.40
Starcraft $3.50 $1.40
Elvstroem $4.00 $1.65
Fields of Omagh $7.00 $2.10
Elegant Fashion $9.00 $3.00
Delzao $15.00 $4.50
King's Chapel $15.00 $4.50
Makybe Diva $17.00 $4.00
Paolini $17.00 $4.00
Fastnet Rock $21.00 $4.50
Savabeel $26.00 $6.00
Hugs Dancer $34.00 $11.00
Winning Belle $34.00 $7.50
Zagalia $34.00 $7.50
Distinctly Secret $51.00 $13.50
Natural Blitz $67.00 $17.50
Our Egyptian Raine $67.00 $17.50
Pentastic $67.00 $11.00
Miss Potential $126.00 $21.00
Silky Red Boxer $151.00 $38.50
Tirade $151.00 $15.00
Public Opinion $301.00 $51.00

Market movement – current top 10:

Selection NOW WAS
Grand Armee $3.25 $4.50
Starcraft $3.50 $2.50
Elvstroem $4.00 $4.50
Fields of Omagh $7.00 $7.50
Elegant Fashion $9.00 $13.00
Delzao $15.00 $15.00
King's Chapel $15.00 $21.00
Makybe Diva $17.00 $17.00
Paolini $17.00 $17.00
Fastnet Rock $21.00 $17.00

There are but 2 horses that I currently see out there right now that I believe could beat Starcraft in the Cox plate that is Elvstroem and the import Paolini I actually would have given a chance to Balmuse but he doesn't seem to be in it for some reason considering the Kelt was automatic qualification. I think he is by far the best horse in NZ impresses everytime he goes out.

Elvstroem is still in all 3 big races. Hope he can clean up all 3...Ha! ha!

Current fixed odds market:

No. Selection Win Place
167 Grand Armee $3.50 $1.55
254 Starcraft $3.50 $1.60
151 Elvstroem $4.00 $1.60
149 Elegant Fashion $9.00 $2.75
197 Makybe Diva $9.00 $2.75
158 Fields of Omagh $11.00 $3.00
289 Regal Roller $13.00 $4.00
187 King's Chapel $15.00 $4.50
217 Paolini $21.00 $5.00
233 Savabeel $21.00 $5.00
137 Delzao $26.00 $5.50
215 Our Egyptian Raine $34.00 $6.00
144 Distinctly Secret $51.00 $13.50
156 Fastnet Rock $51.00 $11.00
174 Hugs Dancer $51.00 $9.25
279 Winning Belle $51.00 $9.25
281 Zagalia $51.00 $9.25
207 Natural Blitz $101.00 $17.50
200 Miss Potential $126.00 $32.25
243 Silky Red Boxer $151.00 $38.50
267 Tirade $151.00 $38.50
225 Public Opinion $301.00 $76.00

Latest market movement:

Selection NOW WAS

Grand Armee $3.50 $3.25
Starcraft $3.50 $3.50
Elvstroem $4.00 $4.00
Elegant Fashion $9.00 $9.00
Makybe Diva $9.00 $17.00
Fields of Omagh $11.00 $7.00
Regal Roller $13.00 Late Entry
King's Chapel $15.00 $15.00
Paolini $21.00 $17.00
Savabeel $21.00 $26.00
Delzao $26.00 $15.00
Our Egyptian Raine $34.00 $67.00
Distinctly Secret $51.00 $51.00
Fastnet Rock $51.00 $21.00
Hugs Dancer $51.00 $34.00
Winning Belle $51.00 $34.00
Zagalia $51.00 $34.00
Natural Blitz $101.00 $67.00
Miss Potential $126.00 $126.00
Silky Red Boxer $151.00 $151.00
Tirade $151.00 $151.00
Public Opinion $301.00 $301.00
Pentastic Eliminated $67.00

Looks like one of the strongest Cox Plates I've seen for a while.

Will Our Egyptian Raine run in the Cox Plate and does it have a chance of winning??

From all reports yea Our Egytian Raine will run and no I wouldn't rate it much hope at all flat out beating an average field there yesterday over 1400m thrashed by Desert War over 1600m and we all saw where it finished yesterday with no aparent excuses so going on that it has no hope whatsoever.

MV should suit over the 2040M if can get an easy run otherwise there is doubt over the distance imo.

I dont think she has a realistic chance of winning, she looked like she didn't get the 1600 of the epsom and now they want to run over 2040 in the hardest race we have to offer.

Corey Brown has been booked to ride Our Egyptian Raine in the Cox, so I guess question 1 is answered.

As for question 2, have to agree with previous posts. 1400M and below suits this mare best and I can’t see her getting a cushy run in the Cox with the talent involved.


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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-10-17 23:45 ]

Does anyone fancy Savabeel?
I think it has a great EW show.

Well if you listen to Graeme Rogerson it sounds like a absolute certainty. He rates Savabeel well above Enconsul and Cedar Manor and it looks as if the 2040 will suit perfectly. Meets them with 48.5 and could just take all the running down in the world.

Thanks Mr ed. Might just have another bet EW.

Tab No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight

1 GRAND ARMEE Gai Waterhouse D Oliver 3 58
2 PAOLINI (GER) Andreas Wohler E Pedroza 11 58
3 REGAL ROLLER Clinton McDonald M Flaherty 4 58
4 FIELDS OF OMAGH Tony McEvoy D Nikolic 7 58
5 NATURAL BLITZ Doug Harrison S Baster 2 58
6 ELVSTROEM Tony Vasil N Rawiller 8 56.5
7 STARCRAFT (NZ) Garry Newham G Boss 1 56.5
8 KING'S CHAPEL Mark Walker D Beadman 9 56.5
9 DELZAO Greg Kavanagh Steven King 10 56.5
10 ELEGANT FASHION David Hayes G Mosse 5 55.5
11 OUR EGYPTIAN RAINE (NZ) Grahame Begg C Brown 12 55.5
12 MISS POTENTIAL Bill Borrie B R Jones 13 55.5
13 SAVABEEL Graeme Rogerson C Munce 6 48.5





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[ This Message was edited by: Paddy on 2004-10-19 09:42 ]

Current fixed odds market:

No. Selection Win Place
254 Starcraft $3.25 $1.65
151 Elvstroem $4.00 $1.65
167 Grand Armee $4.50 $1.75
149 Elegant Fashion $11.00 $3.00
158 Fields of Omagh $13.00 $3.50
289 Regal Roller $13.00 $4.00
233 Savabeel $17.00 $5.00
187 King's Chapel $21.00 $4.50
137 Delzao $26.00 $6.00
217 Paolini $26.00 $6.00
215 Our Egyptian Raine $34.00 $4.00
207 Natural Blitz $67.00 $17.50
200 Miss Potential $126.00 $21.00

Savabeel EW.

At the moment I can only narrow it down to 6 runners (half the field)! For what its worth my numbers are Tab Nos: 1, 3, 6, 7, 9, 13. I will hope to reduce my selections by Friday
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[ This Message was edited by: Seeker11 on 2004-10-19 15:30 ]

Don't know nuffin' 'bout 'nuffin but I do know that Fields of Omagh is the best quality horse in the race.
And 9 times out of 10 the best quality horse wins the COX PLATE.

First Four Boxed
Grand Armee
Savabeel
Elegant Fahion
Starcraft
Cheers :cool:

First Four Boxed
Grand Armee
Savabeel
Elegant Fashion
Starcraft
Cheers :cool:

Over the space of a few hours and with some though I have knocked out Regal Roller (for now) as I think he will go out too strong too early and be gone before the final 200m. Not that I want to I love Regal Roller.

I have also looked at Elegant Fashion's Hong Kong Form and it is pretty impressive. 15 placings of 17 starts in the last two years including 7 placings at 2000m (1st:2, 2nd:3, 3rd:2). It was be interesting to see how it handles the Moonee Valley track

So what are you saying Rabbitz?
That we should take it for 2 units?

I love the fact that Starcraft drew one barrier where a few people have thought that it wasn't that great I thought it was perfect. Atleast from one barrier he just has to settle not get all the way across from a wide barrier where he could end up dead last settling I do not think he will get that far back probably just off midfield.


I am getting more and more excited about his chances in this I truly think there is one horse that can beat him and that is Elvstroem other than that I just don't feel they are quite there with them.

FIELDS OF OMAGH
SAVABEEL
ELVSTROEM
ELEGANT FASHION

Let us know your thoughts on these picks...

My thoughts are that you pulled them names out of a hat.
Hope they are good to you because I will be having $10 on Fields of Omagh.

Or put your house on it whatever is the greater value!
Cheers :cool:

Moee,you have just reinforced my opinion on your insight and I only wish you had not sprayed it on here.The horse that is proven at the track and distance haven won it last year,top trainer,top jockey,conditions to suit,good barrier,good odds.Lash out mate,double your bet,I'm with ya!!
P.S.
don't post your MC tips!!Email them to me!!

Flattered big time.
Like I said,don't know the front end of a horse from the rear.
Just know what I know and the best horses win the best race.
Have picked Arwon,What a nuisance and possibly a couple of others.
But when a horse like Black Knight wins a Melbourne Cup,I lose a bit of respect for the race.
You only need a horse that has stamina,not to be the grit and determination that real champions show.
Of course horses like Makybe Diva appear to have both,but if he was a true champion he would have got Elvstroem on the line.
Like to see one of those pommie horses win a Cox Plate.
Ain't gonna happen coz they ain't the champions they are made out to be.
Only stamina.

He's a She
Moeee

I'll be having a big crack at Grand armee. I'm going over for the cox. cant wait

Thanks Mr Ed.
Front,back,top,underneath.
All the same to me.
Wonder what Bryan Martin would look like without the moustache.
Who's the one who hates Fields of Omaugh?
Bet you've never bin closer'n 100 metres of 'im.
Leave him be.He's a good horse.3 days to go!

Current fixed odds market:


Selection Win Price Place Price

STARCRAFT $3.00 $1.50
GRAND ARMEE $4.75 $1.70
ELVSTROEM $5.00 $1.70
SAVABEEL $9.00 $3.00
ELEGANT FASHION $11.00 $3.00
REGAL ROLLER $13.00 $4.00
FIELDS OF OMAGH $16.00 $4.50
KING'S CHAPEL $21.00 $6.00
OUR EGYPTIAN RAINE $21.00 $4.00
DELZAO $34.00 $7.25
PAOLINI $41.00 $9.25
NATURAL BLITZ $101.00 $21.00
MISS POTENTIAL $151.00 $26.00