Thanks Sportz :D

yes i know and today i did that all because of price broadband unders and other was huge overs.but still was only fair to get rid of 1 and from now on if i have equal rated i will change them to make it easy on you.
p.s was nearly the perfect result if protest had been upheld my pocket would have been a lot bigger.or if the 4th horse had of run 2nd.

Well I did my **** everywhere today. Couldn't get a winner anywhere. I had a good go at Mr Lofty each way at 16's and knew when he missed the kick three lengths, got caught last in a slow pace and came home well for a close 5th that it was not going to be my day.

I now officially hate Caulfied again. And Belmont for that matter.

Duritz.

Belmont??? I had a GREAT day betting on Belmont today. What was wrong with it? Nearly all of my bets for the Tipping Comp were in Belmont today too.

Don't worry Duritz ...i had a shocker today as well...Raw instinct got smashed on the corner and taos pleasure just wasnt good enough...
on a day where i had a stack on Gullivers travels got the tri and 1st 4 in Melbourne race 7 i still ended up down a couple of grand..
..ironic that in the last at Doomben if Dodging noses out Minassi i get the tri 5 times and the 1st 4 5 times...and $500 on the nose at $3,30...just one of those days :)......even worse that after being devasted by that last race i was a second to late to back Yubi at the Coast in the last which would of puts me $1000 ahead,,,,,,almost seems kinda funny :(

Bad luck Mav.

I had Yubi AND Minassi. Good old outside barrier in the last!!! :)

Whats wrong with Belmont? Plenty when you don't back a winner there! Remember, racing is very subjective.

duritz did you put mr lofty in the little black book?

Yeah, so far I've had equal 5th selections in 2 of the 3 races we've rated and on both of those occasions I've gone for the one at shortest pre-post odds, whereas of course I should really have gone for the one at longest pre-post odds. Would have done very well if I had.

Guess who's the clown who didn't have a cent on Irish Crusader at the massive overs - ************!

it was overs with me to i rated it $10.90 but was about 6th or 7th in order(irish crusader)

System yes Mr.Lofty RETAINS his spot in the little black book - just wish Moody would take him to Flemington..... His run 1st up was indicative that he is in top form, just needs the right race(s)!

Gday All,

I liked the races you blokes put up to rate. All I did all day Saturday was box the 5 in quinellas ( no one will convince me that it is not the best value bet going around) in the 2 races we rated 10 times... It was a nice result.. bring on more of these races :) I can go bad for the next few weeks and still be travelling ok... it was fun

Thanks and well done xpt. :)

Have you ever had a bet on the 'Any 2' or 'Duet' or can't you take those on your TAB??? I've had a lot of fun with the Any 2 since Unitab brought it in.

Gday Sportz,

I was at the track at Caloundra a few weeks ago ( SS Coast) and I think that was the bet I was playing around with, The NSW TAB doesn't have that bet type, they tried something similar in weird sort of way with the spinner.. There was no input from the punter with the spinner bet, unlike the duet..


I love quinelllas they are my favourite multi bet form. I reckon they are always fair value...

i think the any 2 pays way unders compared to quin

Personally I like running doubles, they seem to offer the best value with overlay selections.

16.80(irish crusader) x 4.20(youth) RD=$72.80

Could easily have got it in a 5x5 bet, outlay $25.00 return $72.80

Gday Chrome...

I agree with ya there, when I have been in VIC I have taken em and they are a great bet... I usally go 4*4.. Unfortunatley.. we don't have em here,, but that may change... I know people say ya can have all ups, but i like the running dubs better..

But there's 3 divs instead of 1 and they don't have to come 1st and 2nd. They can come 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 3rd. I got an Any 2 yesterday that paid $156. If I had taken a quinella I would have got nothing because the horses finished 1st and 3rd.

Hi!
If you are betting on running doubles it means you are sure your first horse is going to win?! Am I right?
If so then if you would have put $25.00 on your first leg and as it happens it won, you would have got $420.00 back
and no worries about the second selection coming up!
Did you ever consider that???
Cheers!

Sportz is talking about having 5 selections in the first leg with 5 selections in the second....cost $25 not just an allup on 2 horses

Hey, wasn't me. It was someone else's idea!

Sorry about that...I think it was Chrome....any ways just clearing up what they were actualy betting

Sportz, How about races 5 and 7 at Sandown for this weeks challenge??

Yep. That's what I was thinking. There's a couple of good races at Rosehill and one at Eagle Farm, but I think those two at Sandown are the races best suited for the challenge this week.

I think we'll simply continue on with this thread instead of starting a new one.

So here are this week's races to rate. Remember, give us your top 5 ratings in order. Price the whole field to 100% then list just the prices for your top 5.

SANDOWN R5 CITY OF GREATER DANDENONG CUP 1300 M ($50000)
1 RED HANNIGAN Lee Freedman D Oliver 3 58
2 AIR COOLED (NZ) Jamie Edwards D Nikolic 5 55
3 STAR OF ST. COVET Bevan Laming R Waymouth (a2) 6 54
4 SURE BET Mark Minervini Dale Smith 10 53.5
5 GENERALISSIMO Jim Conlan K McEvoy 7 53
6 TWISTED TIMES Andrew Noblet N Ryan (a0) 4 52.5
7 COMEDY SNIP Richard Freyer B Shinn (a0) 11 52
8 ROMANTIC LOVER John Ledger M Pegus 8 52
9 UNCLE WILLY Adrian Osborne J Benbow (a2) 2 52
10 TASKWIN Richard Freyer D Yendall 1 52
11 RUSTY GOLD Ken Newman B Cross (a1.5) 9 52

SANDOWN R7-4.50 GREATER DANDENONG CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HCP 1600 M ($50000)
1 GUNNAMATTA Rodney Douglas D Oliver 6 58
2 UNDER THE BRIDGE Tony Vasil K G Sanderson 3 58
3 COOL TRENT Robert Smerdon R Maloney (a3) 2 56.5
4 PERSONAL IMAGE Richard Freyer D Nikolic 11 54.5
5 REEF BEACH Lee Freedman N Ryan (a0) 9 54.5
6 CLOSE ENCOUNTER Tony Vasil G Childs 7 53.5
7 SHADY BRADY Mick Price S Baster 4 53.5
8 TRANSFERRAL Andrew Noblet K McEvoy 5 53.5
9 UNCLE SPEED Adrian Osborne B Cross (a1.5) 8 52.5
10 COGNITO Lee Hope B Shinn (a0) 10 52.5
11 DELWAY Peter G Moody L Nolen 12 52.5
12 HASSLE John Hawkes D Gauci 1 52.5

Good luck! :)

SANDOWN R5 CITY OF GREATER DANDENONG CUP 1300 M ($50000)
6 Twisted Times (4) $3.11
1 Red Hannigan (3) $3.96
2 Air Cooled (NZ) (5) $9.76
9 Uncle Willy (2) $13.60
4 Sure Bet (10) $13.62

SANDOWN R7-4.50 GREATER DANDENONG CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HCP 1600 M ($50000)
2 Under the Bridge (3) $4.94
3 Cool Trent (2) $5.59
11 Delway (12) $6.99
9 Uncle Speed (8) $10.70
7 Shady Brady (4) $11.12

SANDOWN RACE 5

6 TWISTED TIMES........$2.9
1 RED HANNIGAN..........$4.2
2 AIR COOLED.............$11.2
5 GENERALISSIMO........$13.7
3 STAR OF ST COVET....$14.4


SANDOWN RACE 7
2 UNDER THE BRIDGE......$3.8
11 DELWAY...................$4.5
4 PERSONAL IMAGE.......$13.0
6 CLOSE ENCOUNTER......$14.0
5 REEF BEACH................$18.6

Point allotment method
 

Sportz,

Just a query on the allotment of points: do you take the actual rating values into account? For instance, Shaun and Ubetido each have 67% in the same top 3 for Sandown R5. If I come in with the same top 3 in the same order, but have them priced at say $3.50, $4.50 and $12 (total 59%) and we get the trifecta, do I get a lower score than they do? As the man doing the work, it's your prerogative; I'm just interested.

Cheers,

H.

The way my ratings have been going lately i would be backing some thing else...lol

SANDOWN RACE 5

6 TWISTED TIMES $3.49
8 ROMANTIC LOVER $5.09
2 AIR COOLED $5.13
1 RED HANNIGAN $7.86
7 COMEDY SNIP $14.17

SANDOWN RACE 7

3 COOL TRENT $1.90
7 SHADY BRADY $8.67
8 TRANSFERRAL $11.41
1 GUNNAMATTA $13.55
2 UNDER THE BRIDGE $17.30

No. The scores are only worked out on the order you rate the horses, not their prices. The basic reason that we get everyone to post prices for their ratings is so that everyone can make a good comparison between different people's ratings. You see, some people work out their ratings in kgs, some in lengths, some in points, so doing it this way is simply the best way of letting people make a comparison between the various sets of ratings. Looks better too. :)

Twisted Times $3.5
Air Cooled $5.20
Star of St Covet $7.20
Red Hannigan $8.30


Shady Brady $4.2
Personal Image $4.5
Cool Trent $4.9
Hassle$8.00

Hey whats going on Rabbit
Am I related to you,fancy turning up here after all these years
Cheers

Gday Sportz,

Just out of curiostity, why are these two fairly ordinary Open Handicaps, (Race 7 being restricted) the suitable races, not complaining, just curious as to why you would pick these 2 Races.

Gdsay All

here are my ideas for the 2 races... I wont be able to adjust em for scr I will be at work all day...

Race 5 3:30 PM City Of Greater Dandenong Cup Handicap Open
1 $2.4 Red Hannigan
6 $5.7 Twisted Times
3 $9.9 Star Of St. Covet
5 $13.2 Generalissimo
2 $18.3 Air Cooled

Race 7 4:50 PM Greater Dandenong C.O.C. Handicap 4yo+ Open
2 $3.7 Under The Bridge
5 $6.6 Reef Beach
7 $8.8 Shady Brady
3 $8.8 Cool Trent
6 $11.5 Close Encounter

XPT,

These are the general rules we're going by:
Preferably Handicap races for open or older horses, preferably fields of about 10 -14 and preferably between 1200 & 2000m. They're not hard and fast rules, but that's generally what we'll be rating. Dr Ron also had a preference for Melbourne races when he came up with the idea, so I'll give a slight preference to Melbourne too when choosing the races each week. We will definitely be rating Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide down the track though.

Oh, another thing I like to look for is simplicity for people doing the ratings. For example, some might have thought that we could have chosen the Satellite Stks at Rosehill. One of the reasons I didn't was because there were two horses in the race which were dual acceptors and this could lead to confusion with scratchings etc. Same thing happened last week when I didn't choose R7 in Melbourne. That was because one of the main chances in the race was an emergency. It was duly scratched and I'm sure many would have had it high up in their ratings had we used that race.

Sportz, should we give thought to letting others choose races in the future???

Whille keeping them within the general framework.

Well, the fields come out on Thursday each week, so we can certainly have a bit of a discussion on here each Thursday as to what races to pick.

Race 5

1. Red Hannigan 2.75
5. Generalissimo 7.30
3 Star of St Covet 8.40
4. Sure Bet 8.40
2. Air Cololed 13.90

Race 7

3. Cool Trent 1.85
12. Hassle 6.75
7. Shady Brady 11.10
6. Close Encounter 15.90
9. Uncle Speed 15.90