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TheNeedle 30th October 2010 08:32 AM

Given that my good friend and sailing partner is off test driving a possible new launch (boat to the layman), he has asked me to post todays selections on his behalf.

I have just got off the Skype phone with Mr Barry (just how many deck maidens (wink) do you have on that launch ??) he tells me that he is very confident today and will forward me the possible selections around 11am.

TheNeedle 30th October 2010 09:39 AM

Today's possible investments are

15:47 asc R01 # 4 Greatwall Of China Pot of Platinum
18:35 asc R05 # 8 Stars Aligned Pot of Platinum
19:15 asc R06 # 9 Boto Vermelho Pot of Platinum
20:30 asc R08 # 1 Delta Bay Pot of Platinum
10:53 bal R01 # 5 Threebigrivers Pot of Platinum
11:30 bal R02 # 9 My Academy Pot of Platinum
12:42 bal R04 # 3 Gragarden Pot of Platinum
12:42 bal R04 # 5 Mambo Princess Pot of Platinum
14:12 bal R06 # 1 Jimoda Pot of Platinum
13:07 doo R01 # 1 Yield Curve Pot of Platinum
13:52 doo R02 # 1 Random Orbit Pot of Platinum
13:52 doo R02 # 2 Hour Of Peril Pot of Platinum
14:40 doo R03 # 2 Zed Man Pot of Platinum
14:40 doo R03 # 3 Dazzling Kind Pot of Platinum
15:27 doo R04 # 6 Wild Wilbur Pot of Platinum
16:12 doo R05 #12 Spot On Target Pot of Platinum
17:40 doo R07 # 2 Cat Eyes Pot of Platinum
13:34 dub R01 # 5 Semenya Pot of Platinum
14:20 dub R02 # 5 Old Gold Pot of Platinum
15:09 dub R03 # 1 Dame Maggie Pot of Platinum
15:09 dub R03 # 8 Ima General Pot of Platinum
16:38 dub R05 # 4 Written Habit Pot of Platinum
17:15 dub R06 # 1 Predicate Pot of Platinum
11:10 fle R01 # 3 Condelago Pot of Platinum
11:50 fle R02 # 9 Purple Pot of Platinum
13:20 fle R04 # 4 Soul Pot of Platinum
14:05 fle R05 # 6 So You Think Pot of Platinum
15:40 fle R07 # 1 Hot Danish Pot of Platinum
17:10 fle R09 #10 Demerit Pot of Platinum
13:37 gco R02 # 3 Essence'nrestraint Pot of Platinum
14:24 gco R03 # 1 Da Vista Pot of Platinum
14:24 gco R03 # 3 Flintlock Pot of Platinum
17:26 gco R07 # 1 Northern Praise Pot of Platinum
13:50 guh R01 #11 Shrewd Princess Pot of Platinum
14:35 guh R02 # 8 Canny Sprint Pot of Platinum
15:20 guh R03 # 3 Angle Fighter Pot of Platinum
16:05 guh R04 # 1 Pocket Battleship Pot of Platinum
12:47 mop R01 # 5 Motifs Pot of Platinum
14:18 mop R03 # 4 Elaparado Pot of Platinum
15:08 mop R04 # 7 Bondarchuk Pot of Platinum
15:52 mop R05 # 8 Kuitpo Blaze Pot of Platinum
16:37 mop R06 # 2 Reventon Pot of Platinum
16:37 mop R06 # 8 Our Iridium Pot of Platinum
12:50 mot R01 # 2 Marzy Pot of Platinum
12:50 mot R01 # 3 Johar's Beach Pot of Platinum
13:35 mot R02 # 8 Waterstone Pot of Platinum
14:20 mot R03 # 3 Four Legs Good Pot of Platinum
15:55 mot R05 # 3 Retlaw Lad Pot of Platinum
15:55 mot R05 # 5 Holdem Pot of Platinum
16:40 mot R06 # 5 Wadeema Pot of Platinum
12:28 new R01 # 4 Nickname Pot of Platinum
13:12 new R02 # 3 Concealed Weapon Pot of Platinum
13:57 new R03 # 8 Soi'vebeentold Pot of Platinum
15:32 new R05 # 1 King Sabeel Pot of Platinum
16:18 new R06 # 3 Soul Commander Pot of Platinum
17:03 new R07 # 4 Magic Glenn Pot of Platinum
17:48 new R08 # 6 Oakfield Belle Pot of Platinum
12:17 ros R01 # 7 Saramenha Pot of Platinum
12:57 ros R02 # 1 Kontiki Park Pot of Platinum
13:42 ros R03 # 5 Golden Millennium Pot of Platinum
14:30 ros R04 # 6 Fouette Pot of Platinum
16:46 ros R07 # 1 Joe Blow Pot of Platinum
17:31 ros R08 #10 Dissolved Pot of Platinum
17:44 tbc R01 # 2 Channel Crossing Pot of Platinum
18:24 tbc R02 # 1 Red Ferments Pot of Platinum
19:04 tbc R03 # 6 Sky Effort Pot of Platinum
19:42 tbc R04 # 3 Daydreamer Pot of Platinum
19:42 tbc R04 # 6 Spring Rose Pot of Platinum
20:57 tbc R06 # 2 Heza Guru Pot of Platinum
12:22 trg R01 # 9 Theyallfalldown Pot of Platinum
14:35 trg R04 # 1 Oh So Rosy Pot of Platinum
15:22 trg R05 # 4 Urban Gypsy Pot of Platinum

Now, remember there's a value component to each of these (which I'm not allowed to divulge) and a staking plan.

For all of those who ask, the selections are profitable in the long term at flat stakes (although only mugs bet at flat stakes). With the value component they are very profitable at flat stakes. With the staking plan they are better than gold - they're platinum.

Now, Mr Barry has agreed to send me the selections and the value component each day. I wont get the chance to post them here every day but I will be able to validate his claims.

Good luck to all. I would advise everyone to sit out these selections and not to place your own money on them until such time as you have decided that they are for you. Not everyone can bet in this manner and I would not like you to confirm a certain posters view of punting.

Good luck to all.

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pōrori

TheNeedle 30th October 2010 09:47 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by peter m
So, does anyone think that it's possible to make money on the punt, not necessarilly a full time income but at least extra money without a $20,000 plus bank and turnng over 100's of bets a week?


I dont think its possible. I know it is!

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pōrori

TheNeedle 30th October 2010 10:26 AM

late scratching has bought this into contention


17:26 gco R07 # 7 With Heart Pot of Platinum

Bhagwan 30th October 2010 11:49 AM

Profit on the punt is acheivable every day if one is prepared to stop at say 1.5% a day.

Thats 11% a week.

That works out at doubling the bank every 6.85 weeks compounded.

Most punters are not satisfied with that , they would rather risk large sums of money to achieve the elusive pot of gold.
Then say something like , I cant make money out of the punt , therefore it cant be done.

The safest methods are...
Place betting 8-12 runners
Betting 2+ horses a race 1-12 runners.

Make sure you stop for the day once 30% of bank is lost.
First bet should be kept small in relation to bank.

Try this method.
Place betting.
Target Fav on Betfair.
8-9 runners only.
Price 1.30+
Run your favorite filters over this selection.

100 unit bank.
Bet 1 unit then 2 units after a success then reduce by .50 unit after a loss .
Example
1 w
2 L
1.5 L
1 w
2 w
2 ect.

Stop once 1.5 units is made.
Bank should compound out to double in 6.85 weeks using the Fibonacci compounding rule of 72
e.g. 72 divided by 1.5 = 48 days divided by 7 = 6.85 weeks

This stopping bit is the hardest thing for a punter to do, it takes great discepline , because they see all the other successes that follow on & think thats the gravey train they should be on , then one day , that train ends up being a trip to ********, which results in the punter saying , "what happened to all my lovely money- not fair!"
Then they ask questions like , is it possible to make any money out of the punt.

The answer is it can be done by the right person with discepline.

Many punters believe you should load up your bets on a really good run & reduce your bets on a bad run.
If you take this approach , one will always be confronted with hot & cold days , praying to dead people & making human sacrifices to the punting gods for the next really good day, meanwhile they spiral slowly downwards into the obiss they have created for themselves.

They usually tell us they made $10,000 dollars once, in a single day.
This is more than likekly very true.

This tells us they must punt like that all the time, therefore they will have experience situations where they have also lost $3,000 on a given day x by 5 days = -$15,000 lost
But they will assure us they will get it all back on the next really good day.
Which they may very well do , that is , if they dont run out of money waiting for the really good day to arrive.

It's starting to sound a bit like the surfers waiting out there for that next perfect wave, it may take 1 hour , it may take 1 year.

If one where to tell a bank manager that this is the same way one runs their personal business , it would make his hair curl. Rightly or wrongly..

For the majority who wish for sustained profits betting every day , its usually best to target profits of 1.5-3.5% a day.

You may be able to knock Mike Tyson out in 3 rounds , but you would not like to go 10 rounds with him,. so why do it to yourself on the punt.

There's only four rules you have to remember on the punt, which most punters usually forget three of them.
That is....
Get your targeted profit & stop, stop, stop.

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TheNeedle 30th October 2010 12:13 PM

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lomaca 30th October 2010 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
Profit on the punt is acheivable every day if one is prepared to stop at say 1.5% a day.

Make sure you stop for the day once 30% of bank is lost.
While I admire your determination for staking plans, I can't follow your reasoning here.

How can you recoup your losses when you allow a 30% reduction of your bank but stop when only up 1.5%?

Chrome Prince 30th October 2010 03:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by peter m

So, does anyone think that it's possible to make money on the punt, not necessarilly a full time income but at least extra money without a $20,000 plus bank and turnng over 100's of bets a week?

A poster on here called Kenchar said he was doing o.k place betting a while back but just aiming for a certain amount of units profit a day then stopping.


It depends on your prices and turnover.
In this day and age with the competitive odds on offer from various sources it is quite possible to make a fulltime income with a bank of less than $10,000, if you're able to turn that bank over many times per week.
If you can turn over a $5,000 bank ten times then you are turning a $5,000 bank into a $50,000 bank with the same risk.

For example, I bet an average of three horses per race, cover 20 Australian races, 20 English races and 20 Irish races on average per day.
That's 180 bets per day.
So I turn over my bank many many times per week.
The odds of those horses determine whether I win or lose, the number of times I turn over that bank determines how much.

Stopping after a winner makes no mathematical sense, you have an edge or don't. However, some punters end up having silly bets or chasing losses, so for those with discipline problems, stopping after a winner might be the only way they can make a profit.

It could also be that their edge is in the early maiden type races. ;)

wesmip1 30th October 2010 05:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrome Prince
It depends on your prices and turnover.
In this day and age with the competitive odds on offer from various sources it is quite possible to make a fulltime income with a bank of less than $10,000, if you're able to turn that bank over many times per week.
If you can turn over a $5,000 bank ten times then you are turning a $5,000 bank into a $50,000 bank with the same risk.

For example, I bet an average of three horses per race, cover 20 Australian races, 20 English races and 20 Irish races on average per day.
That's 180 bets per day.
So I turn over my bank many many times per week.
The odds of those horses determine whether I win or lose, the number of times I turn over that bank determines how much.

Stopping after a winner makes no mathematical sense, you have an edge or don't. However, some punters end up having silly bets or chasing losses, so for those with discipline problems, stopping after a winner might be the only way they can make a profit.

It could also be that their edge is in the early maiden type races. ;)

Best post so far in the long thread.


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