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journich 27th August 2005 10:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by blocka
journich,I use ********************.com for collecting my data. They have race results and horse history with all the horses starts.Don't be put off that some days you get lots of winners and some days none. It happens.Good luck with it.
Excellent, thanks for your help, the site looks very useful. Cheers

pardon me 28th August 2005 03:47 PM

help with system
 
hi journich
i,m not sure if what i do is suitable but i bet using a formula based on odds at jump time.the problem i have is that i need to be in front of the screen at all times to effect the bets, this can be monotonus and tiring.
i have approx 2000 bets p/mth and have a pot of around5% month on month.
Given this scenario does your programming provide for software that could do this function and place the bets given certain parameters. i use qld tab site to do this currently. given the tight margins i use this would not be suitable for general publication as the odds would seriously diminish even if bets sizes were to go up 4 fold due to many small pool sizes in many races in which i bet.
anyway let me know if u think your offering could do the above.
good luck

weaver00 29th August 2005 05:55 AM

You can download daily racing data free from aapracingandsports.com in csv format, it's what they use for their neural algorithms. Also you can get some very good jockey stats from racenet.com.au

Try these for other data:

tabform.thewest.com.au/
********************.com
australianracing.com

CheersThe Weaver

Tubby 29th August 2005 06:26 PM

Journich,

Your idea is an interesting one and if I had the programming skills I would probably be trying to do it myself.

I use lots of sources of data, the only one of which I pay for is the downloadable sportsman (specialised form guide).

I find ******************** the best of the rest but also use the QTAB (tabonline.com.auwebsite) , the aapracing website and a set of par times for various tracks (can't remember the address but will email you).

As far as variables go, I spent a bit of time retrospectively assessing data (about 18months worth) and the ones that seemed to be useful to me were, in no particular order:
1. first 4 in the betting
2. first 4 in order of average winnings
3. proven at distance
4. Placed in first four in last 2 starts
5. Place percentage >60% (this has been mentioned elsewhere in this forum).

I rely on horses placing to make a profit and have been going along steadily (albeit slowly) for about 7 months.

siam 30th August 2005 11:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyVictor
my method is rating each race and each horse using weights and margins
KV
Hi KennyVictor,
I use an access database and rate horses performances using weights and margins. I am very happy with my ratings for horses older than 3, but sometimes I get ratings wrong for 3 year olds and 2 year olds. Would you (or any other poster) like to compare ratings? A second opinion could be very useful.

Regards,
siam

journich 30th August 2005 11:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by pardon me
hi journich
i,m not sure if what i do is suitable but i bet using a formula based on odds at jump time.the problem i have is that i need to be in front of the screen at all times to effect the bets, this can be monotonus and tiring.
i have approx 2000 bets p/mth and have a pot of around5% month on month.
Given this scenario does your programming provide for software that could do this function and place the bets given certain parameters. i use qld tab site to do this currently. given the tight margins i use this would not be suitable for general publication as the odds would seriously diminish even if bets sizes were to go up 4 fold due to many small pool sizes in many races in which i bet.
anyway let me know if u think your offering could do the above.
good luck

Hi there,

At this stage I have no automatic bet facility in the system, but I suspect it could be added in the future.

Cheers



Tim

KennyVictor 30th August 2005 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by siam
Hi KennyVictor,
I use an access database and rate horses performances using weights and margins. I am very happy with my ratings for horses older than 3, but sometimes I get ratings wrong for 3 year olds and 2 year olds. Would you (or any other poster) like to compare ratings? A second opinion could be very useful.

Regards,
siam


Are you allowing for the improvement of young horses due to getting older. Probably not very important if they are only a fortnight between races but a two year old improves something like 10Kg in it's first year and a 3Yo maybe 6 or 7 over the year (figures from an old Don Scott book I have). Fairly important if a horse has had a 6 month spell.

KV

pardon me 30th August 2005 04:33 PM

auto bet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by journich
Hi there,

At this stage I have no automatic bet facility in the system, but I suspect it could be added in the future.

Cheers



Tim

thanks for the feed back it would be possible for sure although even after close time i still get some wild fluctations.
let me know if u go down this track and i could give u what i do in exchange once we established that the program was able to do the job
pardon me

KennyVictor 30th August 2005 04:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by pardon me
hi journich
i,m not sure if what i do is suitable but i bet using a formula based on odds at jump time.the problem i have is that i need to be in front of the screen at all times to effect the bets, this can be monotonus and tiring.
i have approx 2000 bets p/mth and have a pot of around5% month on month.
Given this scenario does your programming provide for software that could do this function and place the bets given certain parameters. i use qld tab site to do this currently. given the tight margins i use this would not be suitable for general publication as the odds would seriously diminish even if bets sizes were to go up 4 fold due to many small pool sizes in many races in which i bet.
anyway let me know if u think your offering could do the above.
good luck


Is post #14 on the thread below what you're after?
http://forums.ozmium.com.au/showthread.php?t=10740
KV

siam 30th August 2005 08:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyVictor
Are you allowing for the improvement of young horses due to getting older. Probably not very important if they are only a fortnight between races but a two year old improves something like 10Kg in it's first year and a 3Yo maybe 6 or 7 over the year (figures from an old Don Scott book I have). Fairly important if a horse has had a 6 month spell.

KV
Hi KV,
I have factored in the WFA table to my ratings. An example of the problem I have, will be when the new 2-y-o season starts. The 2-y-o's have no history so I have trouble determining what rating to give initially. Similarly, in most midweek meetings the 3-y-o's have limited history and I find it difficult to rate them.


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