elvstreom over 2000m? i think its fair to say that elv is rated higher then lad and makybe just about had him over 1600 and 1800m. we r now talking 2040. and regal over 1400m? not many better in modern time then him over that dist at that track and at those conditions.

if you feel so sure y dont u give me odds on makybe winning by 2???????? she in in the best condition shes been in and i believe she has barely pushed herself in this prep yet.

" when a horse makes up 16 lengths to grand armee, who was one of australias greatest horses over the dist she beat him in"

havent answered that.

I think she is a great chance to win just dont agree with a lot of your evidence or reasoning. Personally think foo might win again and just had a little nudge on studebaker at 200/1. Elvestrom does rate higher than lotm but dont get too carried away mate. She's no value @2/1. You'll get that on the day anyway.

This is in the response to the so called great ride by Greg Childs obviously he did alright cause Lad won the race but he lost position to FOO early on in the race when that horse went from being outside of him in the running to pulling back and going up inside of him and end up about 1 1/2 to 2 lengths in front of him. Coming to the turn Lad was posted about 4 maybe 5 wide at the 600 onwards with Makybe about 1 to 1 1/2 lengths behind him on the turn the margin was still similar until they straightened whne although you could see the Lad was ************ed he had opened to about a 2 1/2 length lead and managed to hang on for the win.

When comparing the 2 horses you are comparing 2 completely different type of horses Lad is one best ridden to take a bit of a position early and have one dart at them at the end where as Makybe always goes straight out the back and thunders home she doesn't know any other way. I amnot saying she can't win the race I just feel that at the odds she is right now which are extremely **** poor I could find better betting options. What is to say that these horses will even make it to the race nothing saying that either one of them can't get hurt and not even end up contesting the race it happens all the time which makes anything less than about 7-1 fort any horse I don't care who it is ridiculos.

Like I said I backed Lad at 13-1 and am glad I did his odds willnot be anywhere near that come the day of the race if he is there that is a gamble I felt was worth while at worst I think Makybe Diva ends up being an odds on shot and I doubt that happens so $3 isn't that great a value and I certainly would not consider it value under any circumstances.

she didnt just beat grand she smashed him. but i guess we will just wait and c. raw sed himself that lad was ************ed by the end and another 400m is a long way to go, especially wen at the point lad was ************ed makybe was just getting going. the only thing against makybe is the track but i feel she can overcome that. she will outsprint ne horse over a final 200m and that is evident as she came over the top of regal. odds are ridiculous but it only proves her worth. i have her at 3.20 and ill take it coz u may not see better. she may even hit that by the race if she runs the melb cup.

I will say one thing Bordi The Diva was gone at the 100 aswell if not she would have won the race I felt she had every chance to run the other 2 down nothing stopped her momentum at all and she wasn't put under pressure until after Lad of the Manor either.

perhaps u should read the article that freedman and boss spoke in that was posted on the tab website raw. they stated that makybe diva was just getting going at the 50m mark. lad was good enuff to get that extra kick, the kick that regal couldnt hold and many of the others. but 400m extra is one giant kick he will need.

I totally disagree Bordi I have watched the race about 12 times tonight alone and she was leveling out at the 100 reckon she was probably tuly gone at the 50 when I say she had every chance sure she had to put in a big run to get there but the horses up front had to sit on a very hot pace aswell FOO got the absolute run of the race and he was gone at the 125 and there are no doubts at all about his ability to run the 2040 around the valley. These 3 horses were all 2nd up and will all derive improvement from there perspective runs will be a matter of who improves the most from here on out either way I just hope it is a great race.

where do u watch these replays? is there a site u can download them from???

and i also think i would believe freedman n boss over you lol. but we all have our own opinions. as they also sed... she ran a soft and easy race n was not pushed by king against regal. thats saying something.

Mate because I have broadband I have access to the TVN site on line through bigpond which you have to be subscibed to aswell. I don't doubt what Freeman and Boss are saying but I would say in no way shape or form that she wasn't asked for an effort in either one of her races King was getting into her for all he was worth as he should have to it wasn't like he will ever get to ride her again.

I backed Lad of the Manor in the Cox Plate @ $26 a few hours before his first up win on NSW TAB. I was quite impressed with his performances last prep & his first attempts at WFA. If they put Johns back on though, it might cost them dearly.

I've also backed Binding @ $26 in the Caulfield Cup (looks a wasted bet now) @ $35 in the Cox. This horse has G1 wins in him imo, & I'm convinced he's a real stayer. Its obvious now Hawkes is aiming at the Epsom first, but hopefully he'll run in the Cox at least after that.

I wanted to back Vouvray in the Melbourne Cup on Saturday @ $15, but forgot to put my bet on before the Feehan. Stupid, stupid price now, so I missed the boat there.