At $1 unit bets, it doesn't take a mathematician to work out that over the [smallish] number of bets involved we are talking very small differences
between the major totes available to the average Joe [not AIS etc, but pub prices]?

Gain a little on one race bet with Uni tab over the other 2 totes, lose it on another etc.etc. Put all the 3 tote prices through the wash for a year and I'd be very surprised if there was much difference between them. I can't prove that, but I'd like to see someone prove [not anecdotally] otherwise when it comes to the average small punter.

Were talking semantics here and it IS 'silly' and certainly not in the light hearted spirit of these system posts here. Typically, the nit-pickers are those who never put a system up themselves or at least not that I can ever remember[?] Correct me if I am wrong and point me to them.

Having said that, yes you have a right to your opinions
and that goes without saying, so please just continue with whatever you are doing, I have some paint I'd like to watch dry.

Well watching paint dry is probably a better activity than being concerned about back-fitted systems - at least there is less chance of losing. :-)

I agree totally La mer, except the ones I've presented here were actually carried out week by week over 12 Saturdays and were not back-fitted.

I don't own and would never buy a stats data bank. I'd [also] rather watch paint dry than sit around with a data bank [if I had one] working out rules to fit past results. However, each to their own and I'm sure many get hours of pleasure doing just that. Who knows, they might even make some money from it[?] Not my cuppa chow though.

Crash, I know you do things differently and that's fine, but have you ever considered the "other" benefits of a database apart from "retrofitting results".

I write this as a general concept about databases, not just because I sell one.

Even if you start your own, there is a good deal to be gained from the information contained within a database.

Databases are great mythbusters.
They are great ways to test things hypothetically without wasting hard earned on real time testing, when you're chasing a losing proposition.
A database is a tool, how the user uses it, defines how good it is, not the information within.

A database can be useless, even with an abundance of good information, if the user interprets the data in the wrong manner, or "builds" systems in the wrong manner (retroftting and illogical rules. pinning hopes on a couple of longshots etc.).

A database is also a very good way to identify trends and patterns - real ones, and reap the rewards.

I've actually posted some phenomenal systems on here, but let the postings die a natural death, and nobody seems to be using them. They work - months and years later.

That's why I'm happy for others to have the same info as me, nobody will be using it the way I do.

I guess to each their own, what I'm saying is don't rule it out.

I post this as a user, not a vendor.

Crash, I'm entering an argument without having participated b4, but on the question of the 3 totes, you are probably right that if each was compared over a year there would not be much difference, however if you compare best of 3, compared to any single one there would be a significant difference!!
In fact, the difference would probable the diff betewween winning and losing, I"M SERIOUS IT'S THAT CLOSE!

Partypooper, yes there is a big difference in the three totes.

Depending on the price bracket you are betting on, VicTAB stands out head and shoulders above the rest for the best dividend.

Able to get REAL best tote with UNRESTRICTED bet limits, would see most systems with minimal loss turn to profit.

It's not about picking winners, or how good a judge you are, it's definitely about getting the best price on your selection, providing the system or rated horses perform reasonably well overall.

Chrome,

I thought I'd quote the other part of my post you partly quoted:



So I am agreeing 100% will your post.

I'm just not 'wired' for data bank use to be personally profitable and also I have never in my life paid for anything to do with improving my punting ability except a form guide, although I do subscribe to a very good one from a site that gives me live 3 tab totes. The cost of that service is no more than buying the sportsman and winning post every week [some weeks the wizard as well], which I used to do. I also have never paid to sleep with a woman but I can assure you I am no longer a virgin:-)

When I am totally fed-up with handicapping or I'm traveling a lot [something I used to do], I have subscribed in the past to a profitable tipping service, where someone else is putting in the hard yards. That is about the extent of my spending on the punt, apart from my actual bets. That's the way I'm wired.

If I wasn't into handicapping, a data bank would be the first thing I'd buy. I do mess with systems [obviously], but the enjoyment of working them out is an extension of handicapping. I don't want to, or need to know if they were profitable over the last 5 years. I just want to bet them for small amounts and have a bit of fun as an aside from my main betting efforts. Rarely do they incur serious % loss [or profit:-)].

Hi Party,

Yes and yes. Your dead right and that was the main reason for my thread here on betting accounts, as I have been bit slack over the past year in keeping up with what's good. I have 4 accounts now> IAS, betzy, sportsbet and stab which overall is probably the best of the Totes long term [Purser did a good article on them once and that was his findings too].

Of the NT accounts, Spotsbet the best profit wise for the place bet, but betzy is easily the sweetest account to use.