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Stix 24th July 2006 12:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by crash
From The start of the thread on the 12th. July to Saturday 22nd. Figures for Running total win and place for 58 bets are:

RTW: w/outlay 58 w/return 68.7 w/profit +10.7 [18.4%POT]

RTP: p/outlay 348 p/return 384.6 p/profit +36.6 [10.5%POT]

Obviously we would have been better off ignoring the 1x6 ew betting ratio I originally suggested and betting straight win bets. If all the above bets were bet 7 units the win instead of 1x6 ew the result would have been:

ALL TOTAL WIN ONLY [7 units win only] w/ol 406 w/r 480.9 [68.7 x 7] w/pr 74.9 total profit, instead of 47.3 total profit betting 1x6 ew ratio. A big difference!

The problem for the place bet here is the place price value for most runners that are above short prices and that is most of my bets. For those targeting favourites the place value would be worthwhile, as it is often 50% and sometimes more than their win price. Favourites make up a very small percentage of my target bets, so I'm dumping the 1x6 ew strategy here and recommending straight win bets.

Cheers.

Still some good POT's there crash..... My Pop always said " You can't eat odds!" and "You never go hungry backing winners".........

crash 24th July 2006 12:32 PM

Wellington has already gone to heavy and I just checked 'weatherzone' and it's rain all day there, so ignore the 2 Wellington bets for today. I just don't bother with heavy tracks getting heavier!


Hi Stix,
As usual Granddads are never far off the mark, but place betting on all but shorties or the odd long-shot as a saver, is a dead duck. If a punter can cope with the inevitable outs, in the long run betting for the win is the way to go.

crash 24th July 2006 04:47 PM

Naturally, as soon as I advised to dump the place segment for tips here Murphy's law kicked in and any punter who kept to the 1x6 ew formula cleaned up today.

r4/2 Glogettum $3.80w $1.60p
r6/2 All Pressure $3.20p
r7/2 Tactical Jack $1.60p

crash 25th July 2006 10:56 AM

Rockhampton [good] Tues. 25th.

r4/1 Magic Soiree
r5/6 St Spartica
r8/3 Sacred Harmony

crash 25th July 2006 04:48 PM

Rockhampton
r4/1 Magic Soiree $3.20w $1.30p
r5/6 St Spartica $7.20w $2.20p

maverick1993 25th July 2006 05:35 PM

well done Crash ..very consistant tipping of late...i liked St Spartica aswell but was to scared of Bellogino ,,i couldnt split them and they dead heated..
wierd..

just out of curiosity how would you be going if you were going straight out 7 units for the win ??

crash 25th July 2006 06:14 PM

Hi Mav,

You missed the top of this page as I am going win only now because ...well the reasons are above and on the previous page. Up to last Saturday [copy and paste from above]:
ALL TOTAL WIN ONLY [7 units win only] w/ol 406 w/r 480.9 [68.7 x 7] w/pr 74.9 total profit, instead of 47.3 total profit betting 1x6 ew ratio. A big difference!

I'm now back to betting straight win after the 1x6 experiment. What I would say in it's favour and from my records is that if SP is below $4, the 1x6 ew ratio is generally a good betting system [shorties]. Above $4 and the place odds mostly suck! So $2 to $3.80 and 1x6ew is good, above that just forget it as too many place punters target this area and kill the odds. The greater the SP above $4 the worse it gets.

maverick1993 25th July 2006 07:08 PM

I still think e/w's are still an option Crash.....
Pheonix Express and Kantoshi Millions were examples for me last Saturday...Both rated high but in a crowded leader board..where as StepRightIn was at e/w odds but was a clear top rater so was backed for the win..
I think it all depends on how your ratings pan out....as a rule if my e/w comes up short i'd leave it alone...

Your strikerate is fantastic.....do you take trifectas ect ?? i wonder if you took all your selections as banker then the field for 2nd and 3rd how you'd be doing....

crash 26th July 2006 04:53 AM

I must admit mav. when it comes to exotics I am very much a novice. I learnt to punt from my grandfather and he was a win only man.

I understand basic exotics but not banker tri's. That's 1 x field x field isn't it?
Wouldn't that cost an arm and a leg? How do you work out the cost for the field size? And what is this 'roving' banker I've heard of? How does that work and cost? I have seen some very good tri. pay-outs on some of my winner's
races, but never really looked into it as a gamble option.

crash 26th July 2006 10:36 AM

Wednesday 26th.

Sandown hillside [slow 6]
r2/5 Reichman
r5/5 Itsechuca
r7/6 Chouette
r8/6 Sharipova

Balaklava [good3]
r5/7 Dekoda Gold
r6/2 Miss Moneybox

Eagle Farm [dead]
r7/4 My Best Tycoon
r8/2 Muscle Up


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