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topsy99 2nd September 2006 07:40 PM

no doubt that williams ride on miss finland won the race but maybe at the end she had his measure.
also i thought the ride of the day was the jockey on newton's rings.
very intelligent ride.

maverick1993 2nd September 2006 09:32 PM

I think its pretty simple when you are on the best horse in the race...
"Give the horse room "

He could have come to the outside and won this on his ear...poor Zapaone got smashed a couple of times by Nash trying to get out...he might be in a bit of trouble i reckon...

still a good race and agree its good to see a Slipper winner going on with it....
(Dance hero wasnt hopeless though)

Interesting to hear Hayes say that Miss Finland will be better over more ground.,,,she doesnt seem built for it for mind but how can you argue with him...

mv2040 3rd September 2006 06:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick1993
poor Zapaone got smashed a couple of times by Nash trying to get out...he might be in a bit of trouble i reckon...


I dont see why Shinn was trying to box Haradasun in, the horse was going backwards at that point in the race!!!

Horse Whisperer 3rd September 2006 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by go4it
Worst ride I have ever seen in my life.

Should have won by a minute.

Nuff said.



i dont agree that it should have won by a minute. yes it was a bad ride, but miss finland had the momentum and haradusun found the gap and went past and then just stopped. i dont think haradusun would have won, even when it got clear it should have kept goin, but it seemed to peak on its run. thats just my opinion anyway.

Real Deal 3rd September 2006 08:55 PM

Totally agree whisperer. Haradasun didnt know what to do once it got past Miss Finland and imo stopped or ran out of juice. The burst that Haradasun has would have seen it kick 2 clear of miss finland had Nash of got the gun ride but i am unsure wether he would have held on.

In a way i think Getting boxed in for a while helped Haradasun by leaving his run so late. I am still positive he got out with plenty of time to win the race.

Raw Instinct 3rd September 2006 09:48 PM

I usually try to stay away from these things and am seriously losing interest in horse racing these days however Nash Rawiller deserves every critisism thrown at him for that ride it was pathetic the horse was 3 lengths last at one stage about mid race at that point you make sure the horse gets a nice unimpeded run at them not hope for the miracle gap to appear, As far as saying Miss Finland would have won anyway no way in the world I am going there we are talking about a horse in Haradasun having what it's 3rd race start he has so much improvement to be derived just from race experience right now that was the first time the horse has suffered any major bumping duel in a race tell me that wouldn't have taken the wind out of his sails, Ofcourse it would have I think with a clear run he wins by about a 1/2 length but it is hard to tell.

One thing I will say is for the wraps that Nash constantly gets he is a terrible jockey to watch he has no control at all over his horse when trying to ride hands and heels if you don't believe me watch some film he lost a Doomben 10,000 a few years ago on Our Egyptian Raine because of his riding style and IMO he is a major reason why the horse didn't manage to get home in a few more of those close finishes his hands are all over the place, sure he is pushing out strongly but the way he does it it's like the horse resents it more than anything.

Chrome Prince 3rd September 2006 10:59 PM

The class horse of the field won.

I find it quite puzzling how often some horses make their own luck and other horses run into no end of trouble.

Yeah it was a poor ride for sure, but he saw Miss Finland go to the outside and thought he'd take the shortcut home, which turned into a barrel of trouble. Let's not forget that it's drummed into these jockeys..."Take the shortest route home". Had he got the split without interference he would have been labelled a Boss-like genius. Superior horses bullock their way out with dominance, he struggled and finally got clear.

In my opinion, if he lines up against Miss Finland again and gets a clear run, he still won't win, she has the class edge.

Look how many horses we see that were "unlucky" and should have won, yet still get beat when things go their way.

Luck's not a lottery. ;)

mv2040 4th September 2006 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by go4it
Should have won by a minute.

Certainly should have won by a good margin. At the 200 when Miss Finland was at full tilt Haradasun was about half paced after being crunched between 2 horses.

It is simply not possible for that horse to regain its momentum and go past a quality horse like Miss Finland in that space of time!

Horse Whisperer 5th September 2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mv2040
Certainly should have won by a good margin. At the 200 when Miss Finland was at full tilt Haradasun was about half paced after being crunched between 2 horses.

It is simply not possible for that horse to regain its momentum and go past a quality horse like Miss Finland in that space of time!



but it did. and then it clearly peaked on its run and miss finland got it on the line.


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