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garyf 27th March 2012 06:31 PM

Might as well give you the others.

S/PRICE RANK
2=56192
WINS=11197
S/RATE=19.9%
AV DIV=$4.58
LOT=8.6%

3=56191
WINS=7910
S/RATE=14%
AV DIV=$6.23
LOT=12.3%

4=56153
WINS=5845
S/RATE=10%
AV DIV=$8.26
LOT=14%

5=55920
WINS=4249
S/RATE=7.5%
AV/DIV=$10.78
LOT=18%

6=54942
WINS=3277
S/RATE=5.9%
AV DIV=$14.24
LOT=15%

7=52467
WINS=2255
S/RATE=4%
AV DIV=$18.29
LOT=21.6%

I am sure someone posted stats like this before i was a member,
Couldn't find them unfortunately.

Cheers.

Lord Greystoke 27th March 2012 06:49 PM

Brilliant feedback Bhagwan, thanks.

Will take a closer look at your '4 + 1 Plan' (apologies for naming it for reference, unless you have already done so?)

Love to know how you can can reduce complexity in punting maths regards stake to single digits so easily! eg 3,2,1 Dutch staking plan being another of your gems(if my memory serves me correct)?

I wonder, would it also make sense to check the value for the 1st 2 favorites (overs, unders etc) and then stake 4 unit on the better value pick and 1 unit on the lesser value (regardless of which I feel has the better chance of winning).

This suggests I would be leveraging up on undervalued favorites and minimising losses on lesser value / overvalued favorites.

Might be worth me checking out returns on both versions of the 4+1 Plan using 1 race per day and DS WS ratings for guidance regards value, for simplicity.


LG

Lord Greystoke 27th March 2012 07:01 PM

Trials, variations & tribulations!
 
PS and another variation on the F1,F2 theme being perhaps...

3 units on top Fav pick (best chance or best value)
2 units on the other Fav as saver
1 unit on an overlooked or undervalued long shot

No idea whether this would be more or less profitable than your 3,2,1 dutch play but worth a look maybe

What do you think?

LG

Lord Greystoke 27th March 2012 07:04 PM

I see what you mean Mr Raven...

After a monumental peak in early 2000, the whole of the decade reeked of peak performance syndrome for me!

LG

Mancunian 27th March 2012 07:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
Yes, strike rate is 25%

Runners: 103,781
Winners: 26,091
Win%: 25.14%


Thanks for info Raven

Mancunian 27th March 2012 07:17 PM

garyf
many thanks for super stats - There are favourites and then there are other favourites aren't there !
Thanks again....Mancunian

Lord Greystoke 27th March 2012 07:28 PM

Clover all overs...
 
Hello Raven again...

I concur with the 55% mark as an estimate for odds on Favs, based on UB's tester using current update of 73,241 lines.. It returned a SR of 57%

It also gave a SR = 35% for all favs in the sample(vrs 30% often quoted) which is handyu to know but hardly about long run probability eh?

Regards the somewhat daunting prospect of an odds on fav getting up more often than 1 in 2 races (and often giving us v poor value), it fazes me not as I am more interested in the 45% of odds on favorites which fall over = even worse value!

If we can identify these on a regular basis and dutch those just behind them in the betting - instead of nasty odds-on unders(pants) we get to Clover all overs?

Obviously been in the office too long 'ere... think its time to get back to the castle and get thee some dinner with Lady G!

LG

Lord Greystoke 27th March 2012 09:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by garyf
Might as well give you the others.

S/PRICE RANK
2=56192
WINS=11197
S/RATE=19.9%
AV DIV=$4.58
LOT=8.6%

3=56191
WINS=7910
S/RATE=14%
AV DIV=$6.23
LOT=12.3%

4=56153
WINS=5845
S/RATE=10%
AV DIV=$8.26
LOT=14%

.



Hi Gary, are you able to strip out the races where there is an odds on fav and then rerun for 2-4 Favs?

Cheers LG

garyf 27th March 2012 09:28 PM

Unfortunately no.

This data is now about 12 months old.
And i have since upgraded and not added to it.

Chrome Prince may be able to help?.

Cheers.

Lord Greystoke 27th March 2012 09:31 PM

ok mate.

Original stats very helpful in any case, so thanks for these.

LG


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