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Bhagwan 26th April 2012 12:50 AM

Well done Enjay.

Thanks for sharing those findings.

The POT may have been stronger using the Pre-post or Bookies opening prices because of the possible lower price being used as the divisor & possible snagging an overlay price on say Betfair.

Bookies opening price ,is generally, fairly low, thus the potential for greater overlay prices being secured , thus greater POT.

Using those Decimal odds instead of Fractional odds as the divisor into a
Take-out figure is a strong way of keeping those outlays to a more manageable level .

Especially when confronted with an Odds-on price.
Example.
Decimal odds as divisor--- 1.70 into 20.00 = O/L 12.00
Instead of ..
Fractional odds as divisor --- .7/1 into 20.00 = O/L 29.00

If this where to fall over , it would take a lot more resources to recover using Fractional odds as divisor.

This approach will usually work if using a different source for our divisor prices over a short run of outs .

If one wants more control again , just use bet sequence 2 2 3
as in say 10 10 15
That way you know your max liability up front.

But get the general idea for SR.

Thanks once again Enjay.

Bhagwan 26th April 2012 12:59 AM

Hi Schmile.
The answer is approx 6 outs in a row using a 3 bet sequence.

TheSchmile 26th April 2012 09:21 AM

Hi Bhagwan,

Cheers for your response.

Though I was more wondering the total average loss over three bets, using the divisor to work out a bank as total loss with 3 losers in a row would likely end up around 4.5-5 units.

I'll roll with 35% SR and 5% POT, Av Div is 105/35 = $3 and work it out from there.

Cheers mate and have a great Thursday.

The Schmile

Bhagwan 26th April 2012 09:31 AM

Looking at the average outlay betting to take out $20

Average appears to work out at approx 21.00 per venue .

Seeing that the theoretical run of outs comes to approx 6 sets of 3 bets.

Have a min bank of 12 x 21.00 = $250

Only double take out fig. once bank doubles & you should be right.

TheSchmile 26th April 2012 10:33 AM

Nice work Bhagwan.

Much appreciated.

The Schmile

Try Try Again 26th April 2012 04:20 PM

Thursday (today) was a disaster with 2 wipe outs from the 3 meetings

Mornington....Outlay $48...Collect $0........Loss $48
Rockhampton.Outlay $22...Collect $22.10..Profit $0.10
Wyong..........Outlay $31...Collect $0.......Loss $31

Loss for today $78.90

I also looked at the previous 2 Saturday's results
14/4 Profit $35.70
7/4 Loss $151.60

I think what may have looked promising could get "very ugly, very quickly" if we are unable to hit our winner in the first 3 qualifying races at each meeting. On the 7th April there were 5 "wipeouts" out of 12 meetings hence the large loss.

I think it's back to the drawing board!

mattio 26th April 2012 04:32 PM

Not necessarily back to the drawing board mate, on most days the first 3 races at meeting will generally contain a lot of maidens and unraced horses which make for very bad betting races. I have a friend who is vice president of a race club and they always program the weaker races first as they attract less interest so you want to get them out of the way.

Even on Saturday's the first 3 races are generally 2 yo, lower benchmark races, etc so maybe go back over the past few weeks and do it for the last 3 races at each meeting. Also you could simply choose the 3 highest class races at each meeting and see how they go.

Shaun 26th April 2012 04:56 PM

I did a test using something similar for my choice of fav and this whole set produced a 1% pot

This is a weeks worth of races.
Code:
Venue Race Outlay Return Profit/Loss ARMIDALE Race 1 29 50.00 20.59 MILDURA Race 3 75.02693966 0 -75.02693966 TOWNSVILLE Race 2 49.44178628 76.31578947 26.87400319 TAREE Race 3 75.12077295 0 -75.12077295 KILMORE Race 1 23.80952381 50 26.19047619 EAGLE FARM Race 3 70.51282051 0 -70.51282051 SANDOWN Race 2 79.86111111 70.83333333 -9.027777778 STRATHALBYN Race 1 21.73913043 50 28.26086957 MT BARKER Race 1 20.83333333 50 29.16666667 LAUNCESTON Race 3 74.38016529 0 -74.38016529 ROCKHAMPTON Race 1 16.66666667 50 33.33333333 WYONG Race 2 71.42857143 70.83333333 -0.595238095 WERRIBEE Race 2 79.86111111 91.66666667 11.80555556 MORPHETTVILLE Race 2 47.36024845 71.73913043 24.37888199 GERALDTON Race 3 131.512605 0 -131.512605 IPSWICH Race 3 101.048951 0 -101.048951 SCONE Race 2 50.17006803 73.80952381 23.63945578 GEELONG Race 1 27.77777778 50 22.22222222 CRANBOURNE Race 2 71.20743034 79.41176471 8.204334365 EAGLE FARM Race 1 14.28571429 50 35.71428571 RANDWICK Race 1 12.5 50 37.5 CAULFIELD Race 2 31.0421286 65.15151515 34.10938655 GOLD COAST Race 2 50 75 25 KEMBLA GRANGE Race 2 43.95604396 69.23076923 25.27472527 BENDIGO Race 1 27.77777778 50 22.22222222 MORPHETTVILLE Race 2 36.70634921 63.88888889 27.18253968 ASCOT Race 1 33.33333333 50 16.66666667 TOOWOOMBA Race 2 54.56349206 70.83333333 16.26984127 SUNSHINE COAST Race 2 42.98941799 67.85714286 24.86772487 GOSFORD Race 3 101.035444 90.62126643 -10.41417762 BALLARAT Race 1 35.71428571 50 14.28571429 NARACOORTE Race 1 20.83333333 50 29.16666667 QUEANBEYAN Race 1 17.85714286 50 32.14285714 NARROGIN Race 3 60.78025917 0 -60.78025917 WODONGA Race 1 17.24137931 50 32.75862069

TheSchmile 26th April 2012 04:58 PM

Long-term this method will only work if there is a POT at level stakes.

One could argue that backing a maiden fav on a heavy 10 track is bordering on lunacy. So leaving Mornington out the damage was minimal today.

Running at a 35% SR we can expect around a 72.5% strike rate of wins per sequence with this method.

Food for thought. :)

The Schmile

Shaun 26th April 2012 05:09 PM

This was my above results using Unitab prices.


Selections 35
Wins 25 SR 71.43% Profit 19.41 POT 1.13%


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