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moeee 15th September 2012 05:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barny
I'm pleased I didn't post my selections otherwise YKW would have kicked me all the way down the stairs, dragged me back up 'em and repeated the process !!!! lol ..... and no, I'm not referring to you moeee ..... Oh, I cant lie ..... Yes I am !!!!! lol

I have no idea why you would think that of me.
I post my selections every day and they are failing miserably.
I don't bag selections.
I just get totally annoyed when members make claims without any evidence.
Or the evidence is so cryptic , that it may as well be written in hieroglyphics.

Vortech 15th September 2012 05:17 PM

So basically a return of $276.39 from 111 selections in 13 years.

Thats a profit of $165.39 total or $12.72 per year, $1.06 per month.

moeee 15th September 2012 05:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barny
It has 111 selections over 13 years which is nowhere near enough for most to even contemplate backing it

This is the part that doesn't make sense to me.

Explain to me , how does it make any difference , whether it took 13 years or whether it took 13 weeks?
You seem to be suggesting Barny , that 111 selections over 13 years is far and away more impressive than 111 selections over 13 weeks.

If I went to the casino 111 times in 13 years and won a Total of $600.
Or if I went 111 times in one year , that's twice a week . and won a Total of $600.
Is one or the other more impressive?

Barny 15th September 2012 05:27 PM

Vortech, if I outlay $10,000 on this system in any one year, then how much profit have I made ?? ..... And if I happen to have a few more of these systems in my kit then how are we travelling then ??

Barny 15th September 2012 05:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by moeee
This is the part that doesn't make sense to me.

Explain to me , how does it make any difference , whether it took 13 years or whether it took 13 weeks?
You seem to be suggesting Barny , that 111 selections over 13 years is far and away more impressive than 111 selections over 13 weeks.

If I went to the casino 111 times in 13 years and won a Total of $600.
Or if I went 111 times in one year , that's twice a week . and won a Total of $600.
Is one or the other more impressive?

Well moeee, it's obviously much better to have a system developed over a longer timeframe ..... That's pretty basic scientific sampling moeee. May I respectfully suggest you research it moeee.

moeee 15th September 2012 05:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barny
Well moeee, it's obviously much better to have a system developed over a longer timeframe ..... That's pretty basic scientific sampling moeee. May I respectfully suggest you research it moeee.

Obviously it isn't obvious to me Barny.
And I suggest it not be obvious to a single member of this board except you Barny.

I'll leave you to it.
I have Real Wagers and Real selections to mess with.

Cheers.

Barny 15th September 2012 05:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by moeee
And I suggest it not be obvious to a single member of this board except you Barny.

Incorrect moeee, plenty of people know about sampling.

Vortech 15th September 2012 05:55 PM

You seriously can't take confidence out of sampling size of 111 selections.

What Strike Rate do you have?

Barny 15th September 2012 06:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vortech
You seriously can't take confidence out of sampling size of 111 selections.

What Strike Rate do you have?
Vortech, I'm betting around $1,000 per bet, far in excess of what I've done in the past, so yes, I do have confidence in a small sample as it's spread over a decade and the results are consistent.

My main go however is my longshot system which is based around unexposed form ..... It throws up one or two bets per week and obviously I dont spend a grand on these but I do punt them seriously.

Vortech, if you stick with the "tried and true" you'll have many friends but you'll lose as have all punters who've gone before you with this modus operandi ..... Believe me.

Some of my systems have a SR of less than 20% others greater than 35%, but they're all consistent over a decade and all are logical "from a trainers" point of view. There's no backfitting ..... too much money at stake to be so stoopid !!!

Vortech 15th September 2012 06:26 PM

I think sometimes you need to be careful especially with bets that size.

You have a run of between 10 to 20 and your down a lot of money. Racing involves a lot of luck. You can have a system that gives you the horse that has the greatest fitness, the greatest speed etc... but the best horses lose all the time.

I'm testing a system at the moment with 200 selections for the win and down by 8 units on unitab.

However, there was two horses paying $22 and $41 that went down in a photo.
Give me one of those wins and you have a good profit. You just don't know if you have a winning or losing system.

Good luck


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