have said so for years.
out of the 5 capital cities if i had to drop one off my racing it would be sydney.
it is an embarassment these day.

also of the west have followed for several years. had a good result on the grey cardinal yesterday.
last gasp for the day.
wa racing is good.
nsw racing is a problem but we have been there before havent we.

Well I am origonaly from Sydney and would to to agree on that....the racing there is rubish...even there carnivals or off.....isn't it funny when Sydney has it carnivals that Melbourne can put on a good show and have good races....but when Melbourne have thier carnival Sydney just gives up....i will have to say and i am not sure if it is the capabilities of the handicapper but Sydney has a lot more winners and places comeing from the top numbers Melbourne can have them from anywhere Adelaide aswell....this makes me believe that the handicapper does a better job in Sydney....or maybe the form is easier to read...not sure on that...what are your views on this subject

or the quality in each race tails off very quickly.
20 years ago sydney used to be flavour of the month but over recent years dominance of large stables seems to have taken the oomph out of sydney racing.
in the recent carnival in melbourne out of 27 races i think sydney won 5 of the majors i assume john hawkes won those.
it would be interesting to see the percentages on the trainers e.g. the numbers trained by hawkes, waterhouse, connors, denham etc just to see the make up of sydney racing. then that might show us a picture of what we are talking about.
certainly very unexciting lately but. did manage a couple of winners there yesterday so should be greatful for small mercies.

I think more than anything in Sydney the problem is the dominance of Waterhouse and Hawkes. I don't know if it so much scares people away from the place but I think they would rather go either to a county meeting or to Melbourne or Brisbane than to go into a race which is made up of 50% Hawkes and Waterhouse.

I myself find iut hard to sit there and try and work the form out for a race when one trainer has 4 runners in it all with a very good chance of winning it you usually find that there is one of those horses there to set it up for one of there others.

Plus I guess I have alot against Gai cannot stand the woman and am happy pretty much every year come melbourne carnival time cause she rarely comes away with anything which really makes you wonder what goes on in Sydney where she dominates.

The $300,000 WFA Fruit 'N' Veg Stakes to be run on December 13, will now be over 2000m at Belmont instead of the traditional 1800m at Ascot.

Racing officials, owners and trainers, who met yesterday, agreed they would change the distance because there was not a safe 1800m starting point at Belmont.

R.J. PETERS STAKES - 1600M - Sat 22nd

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 KENSYL BAY T W Widdeson G L Smith 2 57
2 KING'S ARCH Mick Whittle J J Brown 3 57
3 EXIT LANE M J Midgley J J Noske 8 56.5
4 KAME'S HOPE Colin Webster T K Turner 1 56
5 MAIN STAGE A R Taylor T K Jackman 16 56
6 MODEM T M Andrews P J Harvey 14 56
7 KIM LISA M Burnett R Burnett (a) 9 54.5
8 MOGUL Lindsey Smith P King 15 54.5
9 CRIMSON SAKURA R W Matthews J P Claite 6 54
10 DEAD EYE DICK B P Graham N A Chapman 18 54
11 DEDICATED MISS G F Durrant J F Miller 20 54
12 EUTECTIC G M Martin P D Knuckey 4 54
13 MR. TANZANIA Lou Luciani J S Whiting 12 54
14 SHANE'S BOY Michael Pateman P J Carbery 7 54
15 SIR BOLLINGER Tony McEvoy A Spiteri 10 54
16 THE GREY CARDINAL V G Ferrier W R Hughes 19 54
17E POLIWHIRL S L Miller S J Miller 5 54
18E ICE MAGIC T B Mahood 13 54
19E AIR OF SUPREMACY G W Webster (Snr) 17 54
20E HEAVY NOVA Fred Kersley 11 54

NSWTAB - Prices at: 09:24:54, 21 Nov 2003
No. Selection Win Place
002 King's Arch $4.50 $1.85
009 Crimson Sakura $6.00 $2.25
004 Kame's Hope $7.50 $2.60
006 Modem $7.50 $2.60
015 Sir Bollinger $8.00 $2.75
010 Dead Eye Dick $9.00 $3.00
013 Mr. Tanzania $11.00 $3.50
007 Kim Lisa $13.00 $4.00
008 Mogul $13.00 $4.00
017 Poliwhirl 1em $13.00 $3.75
014 Shane's Boy $17.00 $5.00
001 Kensyl Bay $21.00 $6.00
020 Heavy Nova 4em $26.00 $7.25
011 Dedicated Miss $34.00 $9.25
016 The Grey Cardinal $34.00 $9.25
012 Eutectic $41.00 $11.00
018 Ice Magic 2em $51.00 $13.50
003 Exit Lane $67.00 $17.50
005 Main Stage $67.00 $17.50
019 Air of Supremacy 3em $101.00 $26.00

Sir Bollinger looks a great EW bet. This lightly raced 5YO, trained by Tony McEvoy, seems well weighted, well drawn & doesn't mind the 1600M.

Modem with the services of Paul Harvey also looks a good chance. Great run last start, not tried over 1600m but races like the distance will suit.

The other visitor - King's Arch in great form of late.

My outsider - Main Stage.

great day of racing tomorrow fellas.

my esteemed tips.

Star Trek

Ice Magic

Tri - Box Lonicera, Hartley's Dream and Ellicorsam. really hard to pick the winner but i think those 3 will run the places.

Moon Talk - first up but smart as you like. value in tantra dancer and salavat

True Steel and King Canute

Roman arch and Mercury Halo

Exit Lane at big odds and Maybe Dead Eye Dick or crimson sakura - raffle - kensyl bay could be value.euctetic = smokey= knockout

Rulain, Prince of Vasac and Constaninople

cheers

umrum

[ This Message was edited by: umrum on 2003-11-21 18:43 ]

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