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The "misuse" will mean that they have lost at IAS on the races badly one weekend, and MR is blaming people having access to the ratings. That's why the speed maps went off too.
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Yes Duritz,
I guess someone using the ratings to make a killing against the provider would constitute some kind of abuse. When I resumed punting some 30 months ago, I did so on the back of some handy information on the internet, not least of all, the Ozeform ratings. As basic as they were, they were a valuable tool to gain an overview of the horse's history to combine with other factors in deciding the best chances in any given race. The ratings helped to delineate the differences in strengths between races of the same class conducted at different venues on different days of the week. Over the past few months,a lot of services that were available on the internet have disappeared. ******************** took away their free tips service, I now can't access the Racing Victoria site to check scratchings and rider changes, and Simon Beasley's tips have disappeared. In this age of technology, one would have thought that the way would always be onward and better, not retrogade and worse as seems to be the case. Ozeform is kidding itself if it believes the traffic to their site will not diminish significantly as a result of their latest move. Maybe though, this is by design. |
Yeah I agree. Problem is of course there's no benefit to anyone to provide free ratings or tips. Advertising on web pages etc ain't enough in a localised punting environment like Australia's. People have to charge for the info. As you said, Experftform are now charging for their info, other's simply not providing it at all. I guess the thing that needs to be asked is if you have to pay for something, be sure and find a product worth paying for. If you want to do the form yourself (admirable, better than taking someone's tips at face value), find a service that gives you great, reliable info for not too high a price. There are mobs about who are like that. ******************** provide a great product with their video comments and superform and speed maps, and when they introduce ratings they'll have an all round complete package, an exceptional way to do the form. Racenet's package is good too, but isn't produced everywhere. I know a couple of very serious punters who subscribe to TRB, they do a great job. You may have to determine exactly what you want, find the right product at the right price, and make sure you punt properly so you can win and therefore justify the fee.
It's either that or do what I did - build you own database, but that has been a HELL of a lot of work, and I still have to pay a subscription fee to get the results and fields anyway. Back at the same thing - hard to get anything GOOD for free. At least not for long anyway. Cheers. |
Misuse and Abuse
Hi All,
In regard to the Misuse and Abuse of information provided free to punters from respectable internet sites let me add my two-bob's worth. There are people, advertising in sports papers, who claim to be "Professional Punters" and are selling via 1900 numbers, web sites, email and the like "Hot Tips" Where do they get their information from? Do they spend many hours studying form or getting out of bed at 2am to watch the track gallops? Or is it easier to suck information from a reliable source, add a bit of hype and on-sell it to unsuspecting punters that are led to believe this information is truly coming from a professional service? Ask yourself this question... If someone truly has a super hot system to pick winners, why would they sell it for a few dollars to you? The fact is the suck in 50-100 naive innocents every week and that's how they make their "profession"... Most of them would never bet, probably go to church on Sundays too. It's easier to skim the information off someone else and resell it at a huge profit than do the work yourself... Of course the providers of the original legitimate information have reason to get upset... Wouldn't you?? Regards OzPunter |
OZ PUNTER.
Why would any sane person pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars for a rating service when as soon as weights are issued the proffessional punters and bookmakers are hard at work doing the form for you for FREE.,as reflected in the boomakers OPENING prices.
As for the assessed PRICING structure for overlay betting,no 2 services would be the same. Cheers. darky. |
Ratings
Dear Darkydog2002....
Thanks for your comments.... The way things work is that when a race club lists its nominations for a race (see www.racingnsw.com.au) the professionals and bookmaker services are hard at work on their computers doing the form and ratings. They come up witha set of ratings & prices that are "Private" to them and the bookmakers ... The bookies then reframe these prices adding in a "Popularity factor" . That is what they predict punters will want to bet on because the horse, jockey, trainer are "Flavour of the Month" (or week) they then add a 35+% overlay which is the bookies profit.. The bookies then start beting at these prices and follow market trends, supply and demand down to the race start time, which are fluctuations. Professioals either do all this themselves (with staff) or subscribe to a professional service, like TRB for example. By the time it hits the newspapers (printed around 11pm the previous night), trends have already begun taking place and so I think you should take the paper prises witha grain of salt. See if you can answer this.... "What percentage of money is invested on a runner simply because it is the Favourite?" Adding money to a low price runner just makes it lower and fuels the fire. Kind Regards OzPunter |
OZ PUNTER.
I agree with MOST of your comments.
Anyone relying on paper prices are kidding themselves . Anyone betting TAB especially PLACE betting are taking the WORST value in Australia. Serious punters are at the track where SUPPLY andDEMAND prevail. As far as bookmakers % is concerned one has the choice of betting in or not those races where the % is outrageously high. As far as the PRIVATE pricing goes then adding their % what business doesn,t. The guts of my post is that if you want a rating service then the bookmakers opening quotes pinpoint those horses with a reasonable chance of greeting the judge. Rating services ASESSED PRICES are another matter altogether and here I ask the question of which rating services assessed price do you consider worthy as they all differ. Cheers. darky. |
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That used to be the case Darky but not anymore - the majority of 'serious' punters now do their wagering from the comfort on their lounge room. Approx 80% of rails bookies turnover now comes from telephone betting. Along with bets being made via the internet with either the corporate bookies or Betfair, then the big turnover is done offtrack now. For instance on the Hong Kong mile race yesterday in which Silent Witness was beaten, Tab Ltd had a win pool of $166,000, Supertab $115,000 while Betfair matched $772,000 on win bets. |
Ratings continued
Dear DarkyDog2002,
Thanks for your comments, nice to see I'm not alone doing the assessments on a Sunday Well believe it or not Darky I do it all myself... I do not subscribe to a rating or pricing service, I concentrate only on Sydney Metropolitan races and I assess EVERY runner and EVERY race... Then reverse the exercise on Thursdays to reveal my runner list for Saturday... I find the mid week races a bit low in class and so usually monitor them only. These races and provincials feed runners into the metro tracks so you need a handle on 'em. I'm a professional computer programmer and so digesting all this info is a lot easier than doing it by hand, you could do everything I do with a pencil and paper, but it would take a while. Normally I only come up with two or three selections on a Saturday with a hit rate of 70+ % .. (except for yesterday..33% Grrrr) I am every trying to improve and that's why I frequent this site, I have so much more to learn. Nice talking to you Darky, it's good to know there's someone else who can see the big picture... Kind Regards OzPunter |
Databases
Dear Duritz,
In regard to your comment about building your own database... I am a professional computer programmer and I built my database for nix... Mind you it wasn't easy finding all the info but now I spend most Sundays assessing the runners and the races so that when I need info I can find it easilly... Would there be any mutual benifit in colaborating? Regards OzPunter Quote:
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