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pipedream 28th November 2017 10:30 AM

Other side of the coin

10-week suspension for Western Australian jockey Robert Markou
Failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure his mount is given every opportunity to win

woody 28th November 2017 08:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by pipedream
Other side of the coin

10-week suspension for Western Australian jockey Robert Markou
Failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure his mount is given every opportunity to win

Just read about it
Markou's mount ran 2nd
Stablemate won the race :rolleyes:

darkydog2002 28th November 2017 10:59 PM

" Boat Race "???

kiwiz 18th December 2017 09:12 AM

NZ Harness Racing recently updated their Use of the Whip Regulations
Also updated the penalty guide regarding whip breaches

kiwiz 19th December 2017 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwiz
NZ Harness Racing recently updated their Use of the Whip Regulations
Also updated the penalty guide regarding whip breaches

A key change is the introduction of a sliding scale of penalties for breach of the ten strike requirement based on the number of strikes made

kiwiz 24th December 2017 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwiz
A key change is the introduction of a sliding scale of penalties for breach of the ten strike requirement based on the number of strikes made

"No horseman is permitted to use their whip in a striking motion on more than ten occasions inside the final 400 metres.
This is inclusive of 'backhanders' and the use applies to the horse, harness and/or sulky."

kiwiz 26th December 2017 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwiz
A key change is the introduction of a sliding scale of penalties for breach of the ten strike requirement based on the number of strikes made

Sliding scale,,1st offence:
11-13 strikes $200
14-16 strikes $300
17+ strikes $500

woody 30th December 2017 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by woody
And add Daniel Moor
Suspended Nov 11th for his overuse of the whip after his mount was narrowly beaten at Rosehill
Moor was found guilty of striking Lycurgus 14 times before the 100m – 9 more than he was allowed
He can resume riding this Wednesday

David Pires was fined for whip infringements aboard Life On The Wire today
Fined for being 4 strikes over the limit before the final 100m & for using the whip 3 times in consecutive strides

kiwiz 23rd January 2018 12:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiz
NZ Harness Racing recently updated their Use of the Whip Regulations
Also updated the penalty guide regarding whip breaches

"No horseman is permitted to use their whip in an uninterrupted manner.
Whether a horseman is using the whip free of the rein or retaining a
hand or hands on the rein(s) the use must be sufficiently disrupted and distinct pauses must be visible"

kiwiz 3rd February 2018 06:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiz
NZ Harness Racing recently updated their Use of the Whip Regulations
Also updated the penalty guide regarding whip breaches

"No horseman shall apply the whip to a runner which is out of contention
for either a stake or dividend bearing place or on any horse which is not
responding or unable to hold its position in the race."

kiwiz 2nd March 2018 05:47 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiz
NZ Harness Racing recently updated their Use of the Whip Regulations
Also updated the penalty guide regarding whip breaches

"The whip must not be used excessively prior to the final 400 metres."

kiwiz 13th April 2018 10:34 AM

Damian Lane fined $5000 & suspended for 7 days after his winning ride on El Dorado Dreaming,,ATC Sires' Produce Stakes
Struck his mount 4 times more than permitted prior to the 100m mark

kiwiz 2nd May 2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwiz
Damian Lane fined $5000 & suspended for 7 days after his winning ride on El Dorado Dreaming,,ATC Sires' Produce Stakes
Struck his mount 4 times more than permitted prior to the 100m mark

Damian Lane lodged an appeal against the penalty but the appeal was dismissed

Sands 12th June 2018 08:54 AM

An apprentice Kiwi jockey has been suspended for 12 national riding days for excessive use of his whip, in what the judicial committee labelled the worst breach they had ever witnessed under the rule.

Kavish Chowdhoory was found guilty of breaking New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing rule 638 (3)(b)(ii) when riding Ego Princess​ to victory at Avondale on Monday, with the committee describing his actions as 'inexcusable', 'grossly unacceptable' and that they 'raise alarming animal welfare and public concerns'.

The rule states: 'A rider shall not strike a horse with a whip in a manner or to an extent which is excessive'.


http://www.stuff.co.nz

Chrome Prince 15th June 2018 11:28 AM

I lost count but watched the replay, he hit Ego Princess in excess of 24 times from the home turn.

woody 18th July 2018 05:33 AM

The rule prohibiting use of whips which have not been approved by Racing Australia and whips that have been approved by Racing Australia but have been modified, is being extended to include possession of such whips by any person.

From 1 August 2018

Chrome Prince 23rd July 2018 12:15 AM

Steward's report Flemington 21/07/2018

Apprentice Mitch Aitken pleaded guilty to a charge under the provisions of AR92(12) for failing to claim his full allowance in Race 2 (Linguist) and Race 4 (Credible Witness) and was fined $500. Mitch Aitken was 1kg over his declared minimum weight and this was Mitch Aitkens fourth offence this year under this rule.
Mitch Aitken pleaded guilty to a further charge of misconduct under the provisions of AR83a, the specifics of misconduct being:
(i) for disobeying a direction from a Steward to ensure he rides with the gear he weighs out with when weighing out to ride Credible Witness, and
(ii) after having weighed out to ride Credible Witness, he told a Steward a mis-truth regarding the riding gear he weighed out with. Mitch Aitken had his permit to ride in races suspended for a period to commence at midnight July 21st and to expire at midnight August 11th, a total of three weeks (twenty-one race meetings). In assessing penalty Stewards took into account his guilty plea and that he is an apprentice.


I have nothing more to say!

Kingston Rule 1st August 2018 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by woody
The rule prohibiting use of whips which have not been approved by Racing Australia and whips that have been approved by Racing Australia but have been modified, is being extended to include possession of such whips by any person.

From 1 August 2018

also from today, a new rule which prohibits the possession of a stockwhip in
relation to racing, training & pre-training

Chrome Prince 2nd August 2018 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingston Rule
also from today, a new rule which prohibits the possession of a stockwhip in
relation to racing, training & pre-training


Not related to racing per se, but I've seen a video of a so called natural horsemanship horse breaker using a stock whip and was horrified.
I have used a stock whip, but never made contact with the horse at any stage, it was part of desensitising training, which I do with stock whips, cracking wood, riding whips and lunge whips. Again, the horse never comes into contact with any of these, they learn to accept the sounds, and that it will not hurt them.

Kingston Rule 8th August 2018 05:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrome Prince
Not related to racing per se, but I've seen a video of a so called natural horsemanship horse breaker using a stock whip and was horrified.
I have used a stock whip, but never made contact with the horse at any stage, it was part of desensitising training, which I do with stock whips, cracking wood, riding whips and lunge whips. Again, the horse never comes into contact with any of these, they learn to accept the sounds, and that it will not hurt them.

interesting info, thanks

kiwiz 10th April 2019 07:43 PM

France has recently tightened their whip rules
Two years ago they reduced the maximum permitted number of strokes from eight to six
Now the new maximum permitted number is five strokes

Sands 22nd April 2019 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwiz
France has recently tightened their whip rules

I think Ireland did the same

darkydog2002 5th May 2019 04:50 PM

Ridiculous rules.

We are talking here of a 600 KG getting a few slaps with the whip.

No jockey worth his salt would overdo it.

I wonder where Australian Racing is going with all this "manbypamby " crap.

No wonder punters are abandoning horseracing.

Sands 31st May 2019 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sands
I think Ireland did the same

From April 9th "any rider striking a horse nine times or more in a race will automatically trigger a stewards inquiry"

Sands 31st May 2019 07:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands
From April 9th "any rider striking a horse nine times or more in a race will automatically trigger a stewards inquiry"

Jockeys not happy
"Introducing eight-strike limit rule ‘shows lack of enlightened thinking’"

kiwiz 2nd June 2019 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sands
Jockeys not happy
"Introducing eight-strike limit rule ‘shows lack of enlightened thinking’"

Could be worse
As per my previous post France five-strike limit

kiwiz 3rd October 2019 05:10 AM

Canada harness have recently implemented new whipping rules

Main points:

"Drivers must keep both hands in the handholds at all times. Drivers must limit the use of the whip at all times while on the racetrack.

Drivers can never reach back to whip a horse. All whipping movement must be done from the wrist. The forearm must remain perpendicular to the track when the whip is used.

For any infractions of the new rules, a driver can receive demerit points.

Once a driver has accumulated more than three points, that driver is suspended from driving on the next race card. After a driver receives their first suspension, they will be put on probation and suspended from the next race card each time they receive an additional demerit point."

proxy 27th October 2019 05:55 PM

Showjumping now on the list. From 1 January 2020, only cushion-type whips will be allowed in the UK. And also changes to spur rules.

DCFC 1st October 2020 03:22 PM

Interesting comments re whip rules by ex jockey, Clare Lindop.

https://twitter.com/FromTHMPodcast/...610278327009280

proxy 13th November 2020 05:53 AM

Interesting read:

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/10/11/2094

proxy 16th March 2021 08:05 PM

Courtesy ABC Radio Hobart

Tasmanian harness racing trainer & driver, Gavin Kelly, has been fined $1,000 for not carrying a whip. He is appealing against the ruling.

"I was told that it was on safety grounds. I was told I have to carry a whip, I didn't have to use it … from that point I haven't raced because the fines would rack up if I continued to not carry a whip."

grizzle 28th May 2021 11:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by proxy
Courtesy ABC Radio Hobart

Tasmanian harness racing trainer & driver, Gavin Kelly, has been fined $1,000 for not carrying a whip. He is appealing against the ruling.

"I was told that it was on safety grounds. I was told I have to carry a whip, I didn't have to use it … from that point I haven't raced because the fines would rack up if I continued to not carry a whip."

March 19, 2021 by Gavin Kelly
Public, political and media pressure has seen authorities finally come to the negotiating table. Discussions have been positive and I have presented a path to resolution. The ball is currently with the Office of Racing Integrity and I am hopeful that in the near future we can announce a positive outcome. To all those who have been so supportive, thanks again.

proxy 19th August 2023 07:47 PM

The British Horseracing Authority has recently amended their whip use rules.
Now max of six times in a Flat race & seven times in a Jump race.


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