SR5,

the much touted first-starter runs ingloriously after being hyped by some media participants.
I will be watching the Steward's report with great interest to see whether the hyped runner, No.6 Camouflage was injured during the run or carried an injury into the race. Also, IMO, an inspection of betting sheets is warranted to see who supported this runner...a reasonable request that most of the betting public would agree with. Why did it run so ingloriously...shouldn't questions at the utmost level be asked?
Surely this occurrence further exemplifies the fact that an ICAC officer should be appointed to the Steward's panel to assist in any enquiries and pursue their own enquiries if they deem it appropriate.
I ask this question: why do some media types go out of their way to hype a particular starter to the generally uninformed/uninitiated betting publc?
Hmmm.....I'll leave that for you to ponder......!

Cheers.

Never listen to 'urgers'.

You're right crash,

I rarely get caught up in the "hype" perpetrated by some of these individuals.
Perhaps there is a more nefarious strategy to their actions....and guess who provides the turnover...the poor long-suffering uneducated betting public.
That's the way it goes I suppose...just like the Boxing Day race meeting at Broadmeadow(Newcastle) when I am sure the bookies are drooling at the prospects of a huge generally "uneducated" crowd being present and enabling them to operate a "true" book!

Cheers.

Cheers.

Step 1 when doing form: NEVER read anything, NEVER listen to anything and ignore PP odds ... Just do the form and stick with your selections. When your 'eye' goes out now and then, consider it normal and don't look around to others. The 'eye' will be back.

All those opinions by urgers and coat-tuggers just put you off your game and create confusion.

SR4,

Uh-oooh,

Whilst initially I was all in favour of the "changing of the guard" in Sydney racing whereby the "dead-wood" moved on to other venues to be replaced by "the mexican" riders and the Sth African topliners, I now have some reservations.
I'm referring to "team riding" which I understand is tolerated on the continent and some other racing countries.
Well, this is Australia and it is not tolerated here....!
If you watched this race, any form student would have some concerns as to how a particular runner is labouring on the fence "unable" to get a run but his compatriot charges down the outside to win!
I'm not suggesting anything but I will be watching very closely in future and I suggest other form students do likewise.
NB. I hope the officials are doing similar surveillance.
Hmmmmm.

Cheers.

SR5,

Anyone else have any concerns as to how a front-runner leaves the fence in the straight and a horse ridden by a compatriot gains a "dream" run and duly surges away to win?
Go figure.......!

Cheers.

SR6,

the favourite is pocketed away in "traffic" and when going for it's run all openings are closed.....go figure!
I wonder what the stewards who judged the Takeover Target incident will do.


Cheers.

Here we go again......!
The favourite in a small field misses the start and plays no part in the finish!
Go figure.......!

That race in the previous thread was SR2.
However, after viewing the video side-on and head-on in SR6 I have grave concerns with the way some hoops rode their mounts!
If you study the video you will see some riders utilizing a less than vigorous manner in their run to the line.
Sure, it is a very heavy track and some connections of certain runners do not want their charge to be "punished."
However, what about the betting public.......?
The great uneducated masses....just fodder in the great unlimited resources of the racing industry.
You make your own mind up.....!

Cheers.

Gold Coast R10,

6 Sultan Assassin unp
this runner which has been in keen form in recent starts gets out sluggishly and shows no real vigour during the run!
I bet there is no mention of this in the steward's report!
Makes you wonder.......hmmmm!

Yeh I reckon you are absolutely correct.
For sure the jockey pulled it up and should get a 12 month ban.

I'm not sure if you are "taking the ****" but all I can say is "ma-kei."
It was a greyhound race and in certain parts of the world they are "ridden" by monkeys.
Reference is made to recent transcripts of the 3rd Test match.
Have a good 'un.'

Cheers.

SR6,

a certain horse completely misses the start, going down on it's nose then is ridden like a "bat out of hell" to catch up with the rest of the field.
Guess what......of course it weakens and finishes at the tail of the field!
Hmmmmm....make up your own mind.........!
I will read the Steward's report with great interest.
Cheers.

SR1,
what is a well-fancied runner doing five wide on a heavy track contesting the lead?
You figure it out as unsurprisingly, it weakened badly and finished at the tail of the small field(approx.10-15lengths).

Cheers.

Xan

Can see your thoughts well enough. But. Because i own 1 i follow all the Cugats. We are hopeless mud runners coming from U.S. breeding (even though King Cugat was a turf champion.) I didnt think he was well off in that race. Hes a provincial horse at best. I think the all mighty Unitab ratings (tongue in cheek) had him rated at only an 88 aswell. Hes better backed 2nd + 3rd up. A maiden winner at Newcastle and a 0-68 winner at Wyong only >> These City class horses were too good for him in these conditions before they jumped, not to mention he hasnt settled well last 2 races and holding him back might not have been an option today. Just my thoughts.

King Cugat,

I've taken your comments onboard but my main concern was with the ride.
So, I suppose we move on......

Cheers.

SR7,

why did certain runners decide to go to the inside where they knew it was a bog when chasing the tearaway front-runner!
It appears to have a bit of the whiff of fish about it....don't you agree?
I'll leave it up to you.

sure, an odds on runner in ideal conditions and the class horse i would have been right behind you in that riding enquiry. He knows the mule well enough so perhaps was told 'an all or nothing ride for this one.'

Enjoy your thread Xanny

move on (good idea) >> & take the $1.24 Australia v Sri Lanka ! @ 1/2 time (now) >> they must be kidding. chasing 260 on that track... no way. I know interest rates have gone up but surely not returns on Outlay aswell. Thats 3yrs of a compounding term deposit at the bank in 1 night!

*cant believe that went to $1.30 after only Sri Lankans 3rd over.... 2 wickets later in the 4th over >> $1.10. Unbelievable. Giddyup.

Sr5. The fav, dropped out last, trys to put it's head to the outside of the scond last horse to improve it's position, but the jock just keeps skulldragging it's head back in to keep it last. My observations only, and yes I am talking thru my wallet.

Backing losers a big difference to laying them, hey Joe :)

I don't mind a fair thing WM, but where are the stewards in these sort of instances. The horse was looking to improve it's position naturally but kept getting snagged back in. Don't say it would have won, but it should have finished a darn site closer.
We have got a million ways to spend our $$ nowadays as far as a flutter goes, so this sort of stuff doesn't exactly instill confidence in the game does it.
As far as laying goes, getting beaten because you are not good enough and getting beaten because you are dead set robbed are 2 entirely different things.

Well said fellas......!
However, so it continues.....:-
Balaklava Race 5:
the short-priced runner misses the start and takes no further part in the race finishing last.
I am not suggesting anything other than statistically speaking...why is the favourite over represented in such instances....ie. missing the start?
I'll leave it for you to ponder........

Cheers.

MR5,
did any form students have concerns with the way this race unfolded?
The leader sets a good steady pace and into the straight it is swamped by "swoopers" and it weakens to finish at the tail of the field.
Makes you/I wonder doesn't it?

Cheers.

The Brisbane stewards have given the 3kg boy that who rode the odds on fav on Saturday 6 weeks for "not giving the horse every chance to win".
I wish someone could tell me the difference between that ride and the ride on the sydney horse. And the Sydney horse was ridden by a senior.

Phil P. has a bit to say about the boy on his website. Worth a read it is.

Yeah JoeF,
it seems that older riders seem to escape the same scutiny....you make your own mind up.....,


Cheers.

Blanket finishes seem to be the order of the day nowadays because most races are not being truly run. For form students this is a disaster as it becomes almost impossible to line up runners form correctly. Mid-pacers and back-markers don't get a fair go due to the lack of pace. Even races with several leaders in it, is no guarantee of a decent race time. We may as well use darts to select winners.

Couldn't agree more Crash. Have been tinkering with times for a while now with mixed results. Some days good, some shocking, doesn't seem to be any middle ground.
Haven't done much on pace, but I suppose that is the next thing, as it is the factor that has probably the most bearing on the outcomes.

I had heard WA runs mostly true races. Changed my bets to Ascot last Sat. and did well. Last Wed. scored 3 from 4 winners there too.

SR7,
two stable-mates fight out the finish with the longer priced runner winning.
Hmmm....you decide for yourself.
I wonder if the stewards will check the betting sheets thoroughly.....
NB. I backed Hoystar returning 50%POT so I have no monetary interest in this result.
crash-are you still winning in Perth?

Cheers.

Brisbane races,

even the commentator expressed his frustration as to why some jockeys continued to run near the fence even though they knew that it was the worst going. You figure it out...........!
As I have stated previously, if any punter continues to wager in Qld then he/she will be eating at a fast-food outlet while the rest of us frequent top-class restaurants.

Cheers

SR2,
Small fields are always a mine-field for the unwary punter(s).
However, how can supposedly professional riders allow a horse/rider to get so far away from them in a small field?
Check your calendar...is it xmas because some riders were "presented" with the perfect opportunity to compete in the finish and others were left languishing!
You work it out for yourself............!

Cheers.

MR8,
the leader set a good steady pace for the "swooper" to win easily.
I'm not complaining because I anticipated this and subsequently backed the winner:
No.6 Galactic Gun WON $3.0w$1.7plNSW
this is the whole principle of my approach.....punters-use your brains!
If you fail to notice the obvious then you are doomed to lose everything you own!

Cheers.

Wyong(SR6):
Did anyone else have reservations regarding some of the riding tactics adopted by some of our supposedly top jockeys in this race?
Hmmmm......work it out for yourself.

Cheers.

Bendigo R5,
How is it that a certain rider is flashing home, wielding the whip in a vigorous manner, then 50m out from the line reverts to a more relaxed action and subsequently costing his mount 2nd place......?
You figure it out............!

SR6,

They're kidding.......!
Wasn't it opportune that the leader eased out from the fence in the straight to allow the long-shot to secure a run!
Not only that...why was a prominent rider peering behind him in the early stages of the race...maybe someone was yelling out to him to "follow the script.......!"
The sooner we get an ICAC officer in Sydney racing the better....!
This in no way implies that the current officials are not doing their job but rather, they can get on with the day to day operations and the ICAC officer can initiate his/her own enquiries.
Can anyone come up with a viable argument in the negative?
Please don't say the extra cost because the AJC is employing new bureacrats whilst telling the trainers there is no more money left in the "kitty."

Cheers.

SR3,

Even the commentator mused: "they were all cutting at each other up front....setting it up for something from behind"- which is exactly what happened!
Of course those involved in the duel for the lead weakened and finished "down the track" and the backmarkers swooped!
You figure it out.

Cheers.

PR9,
hmmm...do you bet regularly in W.A?
I certainly don't and I never intend to because I will never forget the sight of that Perth Cup winner being held up by attendants to ensure it didn't collapse in the birdcage.
If you bet there, good luck to you because you'll need it!

Cheers.

Yes, agree with the statement about that Perth Cup winner, quite distubing.

I don't think WA is worse than anywhere else for 'suspicious' results [look no further than Flem. last Sat.]. WA still has the highest Fav. strike rate in Oz. I think I'd rather bet their than NSW !

well said Crash, i continue to focus mainly on perth racing and will remain to for some time. im off to the stradbroke on saturday and my missus asked me who i liked , i replied keytomoney looks the goods, which race is that,its in perth