[QUOTE=Sportz]XPT,

These are the general rules we're going by: (snipped)

Thanks for the reply Sportz..

Rabbitz if you live on Sharapova Island I hope we are related!!!

Rabbit, do you want to add a horse to your ratings of both races? We're listing our top 5 horses and that extra horse gives you an extra chance of nabbing the winner and scoring points.

OK here's mine for those two races. My prices are to 80% because that's how I frame them for my own punting, if you want me to re-post them to 100% I can, just haven't worried about it because the comp doesn't use our prices anyhow.

race 5 3.30
seln mgn price name
2 0.0 $4.1 AIR COOLED
1 0.1 $4.3 RED HANNIGAN
8 1.4 $9.2 ROMANTIC LOVER
5 1.5 $10.5 GENERALISSIMO
4 2.1 $17.8 SURE BET
9 3.0 $51.4 UNCLE WILLY
6 3.0 $52.6 TWISTED TIMES
3 3.2 $68.6 STAR OF ST COVET

race 7 4.50
seln mgn price name
5 0.0 $6.6 REEF BEACH
6 0.2 $7.3 CLOSE ENCOUNTER
7 0.9 $11.1 SHADY BRADY
8 0.9 $11.2 TRANSFERRAL
12 1.0 $11.3 HASSLE
2 1.0 $11.7 UNDER THE BRI-NZ
4 1.4 $15.0 PERSONAL IMAGE
11 1.9 $23.3 DELWAY

Duritz.

LOL sorry I just realised that's my top 8... kindly ignore the bottom 3 in each of the two races.....

Nah, that's okay. It gives us an idea anyway.

CAULFIELD RACE 5

1. Red Hannigan $3.25
2. Air Cooled $4.5
6. Twisted Times $5.7
3. Star of St Covet $7.3

CAULFIELD RACE 7

3. Cool Trent $3.4
4. Personal Image $5.2
12. Hassle $8.9
7. Shady Brady $9.6

God give them strength for an out of form punter.

Race 5
Red Hannigan - $2.20
Air Cooled - $5.50
Twisted Times - $5.50
Sure Bet - $9.00
Generalissimo - $16.00

Race 7
Cool Trent - $2.10
Under The Bridge - $5.50
Reef Beach - $8.50
Transferral - $8.50
Hassle - $15.00

Good punting

Filante,

Feel free to add a 5th horse in each race. :)

Ratings Challenge
 

Sandown Hillside Race 5

6. Twisted Times $3.50
5. Generalissimo $7.00
1. Red Hannigan $8.00
2. Air Cooled $9.00
7. Comedy Snip $11.00

Sandown Hillside Race 7

4. Personal Image $2.60
7. Shady Brady $8.50
11. Delway $10.00
6. Close Encounter $11.00
2. Under The Bridge $12.00

Thanks,
QFB

mug ratings.
 

One week down and bringing up the rear, i understand the anticipation surrounding my tips, so here they are.... steer clear of them..!?

melb r5
1- Red Hannigan 4.50
2- Air cooled 5.00
5- Generalissimo 8.20
3- Star of St.Covet 9.00
6- Twisted Times 11.00

melb r7
8- Transferral 2.25
4- Personal Image 4.30
2- Under the Bridge 15.00
3- Cool Trent 15.00
7- Shady Brady 20.00

Good luck all
cheers

Race 5
1 0192-Red Hannigan (3) 2.50
6 1x11-Twisted Times (4) 4.60
2 4x21-Air Cooled (NZ) (5) 8.30
9 2142-Uncle Willy (2) 10.70
4 326-Sure Bet (10) 10.70

Race 7
8 0x03-Transferral (5) 4.40
3 2211-Cool Trent (2) 4.40
2 7x08-Under the Bridge (3) 5.30
7 2282-Shady Brady (4) 7.50
5 60x8-Reef Beach (9) 9.30

MR5

6. Twisted Times $3.75
5. Generalissimo $6.50
2. Air Cooled $7.00
1. Red Hannigan $8.00
7. Comedy Snip $9.00

8. Romantic Lover ($13) if there's a scratching.

MR7

4. Personal Image $3.00
8. Transferral $4.50
2. Under the Bridge $11.00
7. Shady Brady $12.00
12. Hassle $12.00

10. Cognito ($13) if there's a late scratching.

There seem to be wildly diverging opinions on Cool Trent...

Some weird odds with mine this week, but that's just what happens with my pricing method when the top rated horses are a fair margin in front of the others. Believe me, I certainly don't think Under The Bridge's true odds are $58!!! Anyway, it's really the order of the ratings that we're concentrating on, not so much the price.

R5:
01 RED HANNIGAN $2.20
06 TWISTED TIMES $3.10
02 AIR COOLED $6.50
04 SURE BET $27.00
03 STAR OF ST. COVET $72.00

R7:
03 COOL TRENT $2.30
07 SHADY BRADY $2.70
12 HASSLE $7.00
09 UNCLE SPEED $29.00
02 UNDER THE BRIDGE $58.00

I would have thought you should be sorry for not including COOL TRENT in your ratings!
What do you know Duritz,that other predictors don't?

g,day guys

mr5
no6 twisted times $3.1
n02 air cooled $4.3
no7 comedy snip $6.7
no3 star of st covet $7.8
no4 sure bet $7.8

mr7
no11 delway $4.9
no2 under the bridge $6.3
no7 shady brady $7.1
no5 reef beach $9.1
no12 hassle $9.1

Race 5:
Twisted Times $3.30
Red Hannigan $5.80
Air Cooled $7.80
Star Of St. Covet $9.00
Romantic Lover $11.50

Race 7:
Cool Trent $4.50
Shady Brady $4.50
Personal Image $6.80
Reef Beach $9.00
Under The Bridge $10.50

G'day Guys

M5 City Of Greater Dandenong Cup.
1. Red Hannigan $3.10
2. Air Cooled $4.70
6. Twisted Times $7.50
3. Star of St. Covet $8.00
8. Romantic Lover $10.00


M7 Greater Dandenong C.O.C. Hcp.
12. Hassle $4.00
2. Under The Bridge $4.50
3. Cool Trent $5.30
7. Shady Brady $6.50
9. Uncle Speed $10.00

Good Luck

Well, not bad today. The winner, quinella and trifecta were all pretty popular in Race 5, and Chrome Prince even managed the first 4 in that race. Race 7 proved a bit harder but a few people were around the mark. La Mer got the trifecta there. A few people had both winners rated on top.

I'll tally up the scores and post them later.

Sportz, I know you tally them all up later, but I actually got both First Fours in my selections. Well done to just about everyone today, as I think most would have scored pretty well.

La mer..mind if i ask what you are using...weight ratings speed ratings or some thing different

La Mer,

Wow. Did you? I didn't see that. Well, I'm sure you'll be well on top for this week then. I'm just starting to work them out now.

In R7 I had Reef Beach rated equal 5th but decided to go for the other one Under The Bridge instead. That's 3 weeks in a row that I've had equal 5th ratings and each time I've gone for the shorter priced runner. Each time it's cost me. You think I'd learn. :o

Not weight ratings Shaun, I gave them away a long time ago. My ratings are based on a combination of impact values, (a bit like neurals to a degree) and in-running positions coupled with the assessed early pace (fast, slow or even)
and which horses are likely to be advantaged/disadvantaged.

Class, form, fitness and pace are the four most important factors taken into consideration.

Okay, here's this week's results.

La Mer killed us getting equal top score in R5 and clear top score in R7. Well done La Mer!

La Mer (92.5 + 82.5) 175 pts
Top Rank (80 + 55) 135 pts
Filante (77.5 + 52.5) 130 pts
zorro (80 + 47.5) 127.5 pts
Jimmy (92.5 + 32.5) 125 pts
Sportz (80 + 42.5) 122.5 pts
Chrome Prince (75 + 40) 115 pts
xpt driver (67.5 + 42.5) 110 pts
Shaun (75 + 35) 105 pts
The mug (65 + 37.5) 102.5 pts
Rabbit (55 + 42.5) 97.5 pts
ubetido (72.5 + 15) 87.5 pts
Dr Ron (42.5 + 42.5) 85 pts
QuickFunBet (55 + 15) 70 pts
The heavyweight (50 + 17.5) 67.5 pts
Duritz (47.5 + 17.5) 65 pts
system (22.5 + 17.5) 40 pts

And here's the overall situation after 2 weeks.
(Filante, Jimmy and Rabbit just joined in this week)

zorro 230 pts
La Mer 217.5 pts
Chrome Prince 187.5 pts
xpt driver 180 pts
Top Rank 177.5 pts
Sportz 170 pts
ubetido 170 pts
Dr Ron 165 pts
Shaun 150 pts
The mug 142.5 pts
The heavyweight 140 pts
system 137.5 pts
Filante 130 pts
Duritz 125 pts
Jimmy 125 pts
QuickFunBet 112.5 pts
Rabbit 97.5 pts

Well done today La Mer and well done Zorro on leading after two weeks.

I'm amazed at my ranking as my ratings are very raw and have not been enhanced to any degree.

Great competition, thanks for keeping tabs Sportz.

Thanks Sportz for the tally,

See if I can catch up, disappointing effort in the second rated race, thought the Gauch was weaving through the field in race 7 to give a sight but probably too far back.

Good work guys - if we keep this up we're all have to move to the Gold Coast and set up Tipping Businesses. Legitimate of course and it will only cost $10,000 for the first 3 months!

Well done all
 

Perused through the average ratings yesterday without placing a bet,but thought the consensus was that Twisted Rhythm was a slight over and Cool Trent was big overs.
Yep,next week I'll take faith in you guys and see if you can get me where I can't get on my own.

Yeah, thanks for keeping score sportz, I was happy getting the two winners on top but as for the placegetters, I will have to work a bit harder in future. I used the Tassie tote ratings this week. i thought cool trent was a certainty.

I must add my thanks to sportz for keeping score. I won't be getting carried away with my sudden climb up the ladder, excellent overs on Cool Trent though.


Good Punting.

Yeah, I couldn't believe the price on Cool Trent. I wasn't expecting any more than about $3.

In answer to an earlier query re Cool Trent out of my ratings - I f****d up.

What do you guys reckon? Should we have another go at doing the ratings on Wednesday? To be fair to everyone, I guess we probably shouldn't make it count towards the overall situation though.

Sportz,

I think the reason for the nice price on Cool Trent was what the bookmakers did with Shady Brady. Shady Brady was only just beaten in track record time last start - most of us seemed to ignore this and simply rate him in a standard weight rating way - as too did the unofficial/ non-live newspaper price assessors (which had him around $7). When live markets came on in the morning, however, Shady Brady was around $3.5 and Cool Trent was around $4.5 (with $5.5 or $6 being available during betting).

To my mind this is a classic example of what punting is about - a difference of opinion that creates value in the market. This time we got it right and the bookmakers got it wrong.

Cheers,

F

I'd be up for the Wednesday comp Sportz - if only to improve upon my dismal efforts in the chosen races so far.....

As to Shady Brady, I was potting him because I think he's got a little bit of cat in him, finds ways to get beat, and those close seconds he had were REALLY tough runs, he was ready to flop and be over the top in his prep. I thought he was a great lay, but I STUFFED UP completely with Cool Trent so ended up losing on the race anyway.

yeah i would be in for wednesday...just for fun i think

I'd be keen for Wednesday too.

I've had a look at Wednesday's races and it looks a bit tricky to find suitable races using the criteria we've been using so far. The standard of racing isn't as high as I was expecting for Australia Day. I think the following races would be okay to use: Caulfield R5, R6, R7 & R8, Randwick R7 & R8, Doomben R6 & R7.

Although Caulfield R5 & R7 are the highest standard races, I personally think these two races would be best to use for our ratings, but I'm open to suggestions. What do you think?

CAULFIELD RACE 6 SILVAN PLATE 1400 M ($50000)
1 HARDY STEELE Lee Hope R Maloney (a3) 15 57.5
2 FIRETAINE (NZ) Stuart Webb R Waymouth (a2) 13 56.5
3 LORD OF THE PINES Tony Noonan S Baster 14 56.5
4 MR. MAGOO James Riley D Oliver 4 56.5
5 CALL ME SYD Nevin Eades Steven King 8 56
6 LIMITED IMPULSE Danny J Bougoure C D Symons (a1.5) 3 55.5
7 CANNYOPRA Andrew Noblet Ms Michelle Payne (a1.5) 1 54
8 PEACE RULER Jim Marconi N Ryan (a0) 9 53
9 SHOW 'EM POWER Stuart Webb B Park 2 53
10 FLYING ED Grant Dalziel B Shinn (a0) 5 52.5
11 JAR JAR BINKS Lee Hope Dale Smith 7 52.5
12 GIFTED GROUND Darral Edwards M Pegus 10 52
13 MIDNIGHT STORM Robert Cerchi R Wheeler 11 52
14 GRAND LEGEND Peter Sutherland J Benbow (a2) 12 52
15 WHITHER THOU GOEST Steve Cunningham B Cross (a1.5) 6 52

CAULFIELD RACE 8 CITY OF GLEN EIRA HANDICAP 2000 M ($50000)
1 BONDY Tony Vasil K G Sanderson 9 58
2 CAPADAN (NZ) Ross McDonald D Nikolic 1 56
3 EVASION John Hawkes D Gauci 7 55
4 YOU LITTLE BEAUT Tony McEvoy D Oliver 8 54.5
5 LIQUID LUNCH Chris Hyland R Booth 6 53
6 MANY ARE CALLED Geoff Daffy N Wilson 2 53
7 COMMAND 'N CONQUER (NZ) Chris Wood N Ryan (a0) 3 52.5
8 NO HIGH NO SONG Greg Eurell P Mertens 10 52
9 PARTY PIE Gerard Moloney B Shinn (a0) 5 52
10 SPECIAL SCENE Dan O'Sullivan B Cross (a1.5) 4 52

I think we should just do this Wednesday's races for an interest though and they won't count towards our overall score.

CAULFIELD RACE 6 SILVAN PLATE 1400 M ($50000)
4 Mr. Magoo (4) $6.4
8 Peace Ruler (9) $7.65
1 Hardy Steele (15) $8.56
11 Jar Jar Binks (7) $10.78
14 Grand Legend (12) $11.09

CAULFIELD RACE 8 CITY OF GLEN EIRA HANDICAP 2000 M ($50000)
9 Party Pie (5) $4.71
3 Evasion (7) $4.82
1 Bondy (9) $6.02
7 Command 'n Conquer (NZ) (3) $7.54
2 Capadan (NZ) (1) $9.48

CAULFIELD Race 6

1. HARDY STEELE $6.74
8. PEACE RULER $7.44
9. SHOW 'EM POWER $7.60
3. LORD OF THE PINES $8.91
4. MR. MAGOO $12.56

CAULFIELD Race 8

1. BONDY $2.49
3. EVASION $4.10
5. LIQUID LUNCH $9.77
7. COMMAND 'N CONQUER $9.81
2. CAPADAN $13.61

As it's a public holiday meeting - who wants to vote to have these results included in the tally?