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NitroPunter 17th July 2012 04:15 PM

Hard to swallow.
 
I cant believe that accounts are being closed over such little wins

The theory of bookmaking is as follows...

A bookie has complete control over the odds he offers, but initially he doesn’t know the volume of bets that will be made at those prices. What he is basically trying to do is adjust the odds he offers in order to take bets in the right proportions to take in enough stakes across the board so that the amount he pays out is less than the stakes he takes in from the losing selections. If he achieves that goal then he will not be concerned which horse wins.

So if the above is true then why would they care if you won $4000 when in reality they more than likely won on the race regardless?

I bet in large amounts and never have I had an account closed or limited. My mates who only bet on the specials and "offers" who bet small amounts have those offers taken away but never closed.

Just my thoughts....

Chrome Prince 18th July 2012 07:22 AM

Nitro I agree with you 100%.
For example, if I'm backing outsiders, surely I am helping them balance their book, it's money they wouldn't have because most of it goes on the first two favourites or something fancied that steams in.
The problem is the automated risk management software they use, it reports people who constantly pick off the top odds they offer, special deals, and winning accounts.
Once you're flagged, you're limited or banned.
It's no longer a bookmaking decision, it's a risk management decision.
It also depends how much you win in a certain window of time and if you keep betting with that money and losing.

Chrome Prince 19th July 2012 01:58 PM

Here's a gem!

Opened an account with Stan James, deposited a mere $50.00
It was simply a trial run.
First bet $20 which converted to around 13 pounds to get the free 10 pound bet offer. Horse won which resulted in a win of around $30.00
From that moment I was limited to less than $5.00 on all bets, even rank outsiders or odds on favourites.

Beggars belief.

Mark 19th July 2012 03:02 PM

This sort of thing is crazy.
When they pull stunts like this, their licence should be immediately revoked, no excuses no second chances. The licencing commissions have a lot to answer for letting them get away with rubbish like this.

Chrome Prince 19th July 2012 06:45 PM

O.K. I'm not even complaining now, because it's very funny.
I laughed myself silly.
It's not Stan James, it's Sid James - "Carry On Bookmaker"

I had a bet of $3.23, yes only allowed $3.23 on Fraserburgh in the first at Hamilton tonight.
They gave me $7.50 odds, as I completed my slip the bet was accepted and they immediately moved the odds on the site to $5.00.

Oh Matron!


Stix 19th July 2012 06:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by partypooper
Whilst my profits are minute compared to yours Mark (I suspect) I have managed to escape the wrath so far by having many accounts, and also my relies, and spread everything thinly.

But just recently, a relative opened an account with Sportsbet and at the same time opened one with IAS, only to be refused and a guy ringing from IAS to inform him that Sportsbet was OWNED by IAS.


I too spread my bets over 5 books, aggregated it's a decent bet, but as an individual bet it's should fly under the radar - so far it has). I'm just worried about the cumulative affect being monitored...which I'm sure the do...

Also saves dumping into small pools, as I place bet.

Mark 20th July 2012 07:06 AM

Nevr mind CP, come across to Markbet, I'll let you on to win $30. (so long as you don't win, don't withdraw, bet at least an hour before the race, take unders, etc etc etc)

Management 20th July 2012 09:05 AM

As this thread is about more than one online bookmaker closing clients' accounts we have changed the thread title to make it more relevant, rather than it focusing on just one online bookmaker.

norisk 20th July 2012 09:57 AM

Time to start complaining people -

Deputy Chief Minister
Hon Delia Phoebe Lawrie MLA

Treasurer
Minister for Business and Employment
Minister for Trade
Minister for Asian Relations
Minister for Racing, Gaming and Licensing
Minister for Alcohol Policy
Minister for Defence Support

Contact:
GPO Box 3146
Darwin NT 0801
Telephone: 08 8901 4047
Facsimile: 08 8901 4169
Email: minister.lawrie@nt.gov.au

Chrome Prince 20th July 2012 01:46 PM

I don't understand how these guys are still able to make money at all.
In these times of competition, turnover tax, lagging interest by the general population etc. How are they surviving?

I'm starting to get a picture of the SJ operation, that it's some bloke in his bedroom with a server!
They won't take more than $5.00 on anything remotely fancied, and won't give the FREE joining bet to Australians (in fine print in the terms and conditions).

Quote:
Dear xxxxxxxxxx,
Thank you for forwarding the email to us.
The email is a standard new customers email sent to all customers opening accounts.
Within the terms and conditions of the new customer offer is the clause regarding eligible regions.
I appreciate this could be made clearer and maybe a second standard email for non eligible customers could be sent.
I apologise for any confusion caused, please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of any further assistance.
Kind regards,
xxxxxxxxxxx


I hear Bet365 aren't too bad, haven't tried them yet.
Surely there is a massive opportunity for some big bookmaker like Rob Waterhouse, or a Read to come along and offer a full no limit service with a simple stand to lose no more than clause like the rails bookies.


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