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Top Rank 11th February 2005 08:20 AM

Duritz,

If I were able I would love to take your money on betting on horses having there second run having won first up.
Stats I keep on my own methods show that this group of horses can win close to 30+% of the time. Problem is there short price.

Some recent first up winners who have won again at there next start include:
I Believe, Cool Front, Run Rita Run

I stress this is with my method of selection, not all runners with this stat.

Good Punting.

La Mer 11th February 2005 09:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Rank
Duritz,

If I were able I would love to take your money on betting on horses having there second run having won first up.
Stats I keep on my own methods show that this group of horses can win close to 30+% of the time. Problem is there short price.


Based on the last 13 months on metro tracks, 1st up winners repeat that win only 21% of the time 2nd up, losing a little over 14%.

Duritz 11th February 2005 09:39 AM

2nd uppers
 
You have me the wrong way - I don't want to BACK 2nd uppers who've won first up, I'd like to LAY them. I reckon 2nd uppers who've won first up can be a good lay because they can be flattened by the first up big run.

If you want to back them with me I'll let you, that 14% L.O.T would sit very nicely in my pocket!

La Mer 11th February 2005 10:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Duritz
You have me the wrong way - I don't want to BACK 2nd uppers who've won first up, I'd like to LAY them. I reckon 2nd uppers who've won first up can be a good lay because they can be flattened by the first up big run.

If you want to back them with me I'll let you, that 14% L.O.T would sit very nicely in my pocket!


Just a little more on these type of runners. The strike-rate is based on per race, so there could be more than one runner in any given race.

When based on runners priced $5 or less, then the strike-rate per race jumps to slightly over 35% but the loss remains, but comes down to 10.6%

Sportz 11th February 2005 10:24 AM

I like to back Unitab 100 raters which won 1st-up if they're a winner at this course and distance (c) or if they won their 2nd last start before a spell (in other words, their 3rd last start). I've done okay with that in the last year or so.

Top Rank 11th February 2005 12:07 PM

I don't doubt your stats La Mer, which is why it is important to keep your own stats on your own methods.
When a horse has the formline x1 and is selected by my methods it is a regular winner.
If anyone has read books by Malcolm Knowles they would know that a horse with this formline that also has the best place strike rate has a high win percentage.
I have in some ways improved on Malcolm's good work.

Good Punting.

crash 11th February 2005 01:06 PM

It would all depend on the class, distance and weight of the next race if a last start winner's finishing position meant anything.

The fact that a runner won it's last race or it's last 3 or 4, is surely meaningless, unless it is again competing in a similar race to it's last start [and it's weight will go up and it's price down if it is]. The new price may or may not make a last start winner a good bet, regardless of it's finishing position. A win is a win is a win regardless of price, is a well travelled road to long term loss.

Bhagwan 15th February 2005 09:11 PM

RESULTS
Area Bets Win Plc WOut WRet WPrf Wsr% --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Country 164 21 54 1640 1301 -339 12
Metropolitan 150 17 49 1500 1160 -340 11
Provincial 226 33 74 2260 2943 +683 14
>>> Totals 540 71 177 5400 5404 4 13



Top Ran Method Modified

RACE RULES:
include if Area = Provincial only.

HORSE RULES:
include if Barrier between 7 and 24

HORSE RATING RULES:
include if Place% between 5 and 49
include if Win% Rank between 1 and 1

HORSE STATISTICS RULES:
include if Career Starts between 4 and 40

HORSE FORM RULES RUN #1:
include if Days Ago between 1 and 27
include if FinPos Last Start between 4 and 24

17% SR
Approx 45% POT


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