What!

We have some disbelievers?

To clarify my original post, I use this purely as a culling process whereby I highlight likely candidates, particularly those at attractive odds.
eg. Sat11.3.06 - 7 selections for 1 winner, Sojustrememberthis, WON, $11.60w$3.70pl.
Darci Brahma(2nd$1.70pl)
Shania Dane(unp)
Star Mystic(3rd$4.60pl)
Lad Of The Manor(unp)
Precious Future(unp)
Miss Andretti(unp)*do not forget this mare as she has definite potential and has been running respectable races against the best. There may may be a consolation race for her to pay for expenses.
So, as you can see, by investing in my recommended ratio of 1x5 you would have shown a healthy profit.
Remember, though, that I have a flexible approach to this method and will include horses which may have not have had 10 race starts(usually one of my criteria), if I believe they have potential, e.g Reewaya(6starts).
N.B. I usually do not consider any runner which has not had at least 10 starts as I believe that this indicates the horse has had at least two preparations and has shown it can handle first-up racing. I will relax this if, as stated above, I believe this horse may be going places.

Cheers.

hey there xan............... dont go razzing him up i think he's allready standing on the naughty spot.........................

Interesting day today:
SR2 6 Palabiro
SR6 2 Radetzky March
4 Malcolm
SR7 2 Primus
3 Headturner
SR8 2 Loftily
MR7 7 Zipping
MR8 1 Serenade Rose
MR9 5 Sojustrememberthis
Others to keep an eye on are:
SR3 7 Oh Oklahama
SR8 5 Tactfully
SR9 3 Coronga
11 Spyzaim
Good luck and let's pray that the fearsome forum curse does not spoil our day. Remember, invest in the ratio of 1x5.
Please note that whilst this thread is title:"class....." I am not suggesting that horses selected are necessarily champions-rather, I am highlighting promising horses which are racing against other competitors of their own, if not inferior "class" and that is where we may secure some value bets.

Cheers.

SR6 2 Ratetzky March, broke through the barrier and was passed fit to run. No problem, but I saw another instance where a horse was (apparently) injured in a minor manner but allowed to run.
Surprise.....surprise....after the run, this horse was found to have suffered an injury which should have warranted it being withdrawn at the barrier.
As I have stated in another post, "when in doubt -they are out!"
......I look forward to other punters' views.

Cheers

No excuses-a mixed day but we are looking for the long-term which will definitely prove profitable.
So, for the true believers we will definitely show a profit over the 12 monthly period, so stay with this approach.

Cheers.

SR7 No1 Eremein ($2.5w 1.3plNSW) finished strongly to win in an incredible photo-finish!
Make no mistake this horse may possess the appropriate class to win bigger races this Spring. It may pay to follow!

Cheers.

I think I witnessed a potential class runner today:
MR 6 1 Miss Mooney Mooney WON $2.0w $1.2plNSW
Maybe Lee Freedman can get the best out of this potential champion as he did with Makybe Diva!
It puts more interest into the upcoming Spring carnival.

Cheers.

MR6 6 Miss Andretti
is she the runner with the most class in today's Gp1 race?
Undeniably, there are some topline runners in the Lightning but do they possess the required "touch of class" to compete and win at this level?
Many will be found wanting at the business end of today's race when the true "class" horses are thundering home.
That is why I will be on Miss Andretti.

Cheers.
3:33p.m.EST,
WON $2.5w$1.3plNSW,
What an absolutely fantastic win by an absolute superstar, ridden a masterful race by a jockey at the top of his game!
This mare may be going overseas in the near future so the "world may be her oyster!"
Good luck to all connections!

Yep, a great run by MA in a record 53.9 sec. and sure, sticking with top class will find a lot of winners [but often not a lot of profit], but I'm happy to pocket the place money I made [3.60p] backing Ticklish 1x4 ew instead of the starvation win payout on MA.

Problem with class is it stands out like a sore thumb [everyones on it] but it often gets beaten because most Aust. races are handicaps and weight is a great equalizer. I'll always be looking at what can beat the class horse in any race and there were a few, obviously the class horses beaten in earlier races at MV today.

It's easy to cherry-pick memory for class horses that have won [usually at poor odds], but a heap of em' don't win either [usually when your moneys on them] for all sorts of reasons because that's racing I guess.

To me, "The Defining Factor In The Selection Process?", will always be 'bet value', not class.

Spot on ;)

You make a good point crash when you say that most "class" horses are identified by the general betting public therefore the dividends can be a bit cramped sometimes.
However, I emphasise that the astute punter, if they do their form study can identify runners in Class1,2,3-6 etc generally at very attractive odds which are overlooked by the "pundits" thereby presenting very attractive betting opportunities for the alert investor.
I must disagree with your assertion that "class" stands out like "a sore thumb" as in my experience most punters at most venues do not appreciate the difference between Cl6 and open company or being beaten 6len in a Cl1 and running 2nd in a class4 race beaten 0.2len.
Good to speak to you.

Cheers.

xanadu,

I don't think there was anything 'astute' about accepting the odds on MA today. Sure she won, but it was a bad value bet considering the competition.

'Any price a winner' is flawed punting I think.

crash, CP:

Aren't we on the same side........ie. hard-nosed punters trying to extract a profit from our punting, which, if you view my other threads today would confirm that I have had a very "interesting" ie. profitable day.
To explain my position....if the astute punter identifies a potential "class" runner currently paying overs does that not fit in with your justified stance that value is the over-riding factor?
Invariably, if the "class" runner is not identified by the general betting public doesn't that provide opportunities for the astute investor to take advantage...just like the ASX, my other pastime.
In my opinion they complement each other but many of the general betting public cannot identify this and therefore we "value" or "percentage" punters find a way to get an edge.
The fact that I am a form student and identified this runner as practically unbeatable(IMO) then how do you know that I did not secure "value" odds with the plethora of betting agencies available-I only quote NSW divs because I reside in this "premier" state(only joking!).

Cheers.

are you telling me that backing an unknown kiwi sprinter is smarter than backing the best sprinter in australia around a corner, crash

by the way i think $5 @ 3.20 (Sportingbet) beats 1x4 @3.60

i think EVEN MORE supposedly 'value' runners get beaten down the track than true 'CLASS' horses get beaten

i think a win is a win is a win, isn't it?

they're all 'value' as long as they get up

Interesting point of view, I have to agree with both views in a way.

The obvious class runners are more often than not poor value.
The apparent "overs" horses are often lacking in performance.

The firmers win and the drifters lose overall in the scheme of things.
The problem being, selecting the value class horses and avoiding horses that are unders.

I recently did an exercise in comparing the drifters and firmers which were favourite at fixed odds.

All horses returned $317.40 out of 322 possible bets.
Drifters returned $139.75 out of 177 possible bets.
Firmers returned $177.65 out of 145 possible bets.

Knowing the movements or anticipating them in advance is quite a difficult task, but overall it can be done to advantage.

That 'unknown' kiwi sprinter was a 1000m specialist winning in NZ in low 54's [3 times] on NZ tracks with up to 57kg on board, which if anyone with access to a decent form service would have known. The fastest 1000m [until the Lightening] of any of the runners in the race on Sat.

2 weeks ago Ticklish finished very close up to Darci Brahma in the 1200m [not her distance] G1 Telegraph stakes. At 20/1 in a 1000m event her odds were a massive overlay as just look at the class she beat home! Unlucky not to have won the Lightning, but MA produced an incredible 53.9 sec. track record. At 20/1 and the light weight Ticklish was the biggest overlay in the race [because she was 'unknown'] and was a great e/w bet :-)

yeah, but they time them with a stopwatch over there don't they ?

and no, i don't have access to a decent form service (i'm just a humble teacher) but i can read a paper - times don't always translate (on this occasion they happened to)

by the way, Miss Mario clocked 57.22 (they actually time them using reliable equipment over here or the tracks are measured properly anyway) not 54!

Crash, i AM impressed with your outsider (would've put been good 'value' in the summer comp) and would have loved to had him as my third in my tri
Had the first two with VDF
Maybe you could have had the trifecta in my comp

i'll be expecting your tips next week!

[QUOTE=Spartacus]yeah, but they time them with a stopwatch over there don't they ?
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LOL !

don't keep those longshots all to yourself now, crash

i need a good one or two for next week

the kids are taking me to the Orr Stakes
(they're in the clip clop club)

I'll have to share a bit of homework to make sure you collect a few pennies from something then.

I notice that The Daily Telegraph now provides an icon in their raceform section showing whether a particular runner is rising/lowering in class from it's last start.
They are to be congratulated as this should prove to be an invaluable tool for punters in their form study and final selections.
Job well done fellas!

Cheers.

Geez, they finally worked out what up/down in weight [mostly] means!

Yeah crash,

It will be a helpful tool in punters' form-study.
Let's not be too cynical as it is a real attempt to improve the general punting public's knowledge and presumably assist in their attempt to back that elusive winner.

Cheers.