I won 3 out of 4 in Perth yesterday. I'm a happy camper.

Was actually refering to the Perth Cup winner that collapsed after the race and died/was destroyed. Not actual results as such, although I don't bet in Perth.
Elaphant juice was the culprit I think.

Speaking of disturbing things to do wih animal cruelty, did anyone see the 4 Corners program on the ABC a few weeks ago to do with the Pitbulls?
Fairly disturbed me I can tell you. They should be publicly flogged.

I eaw it and was horrified. Look at what those dogs do to little kids. They rip off flesh in slabs!

They should be banned as a breed. Their just killers. Even a Rotwheeler wouldn't last 10 sec. against a Pitbull.

SR6,

was anyone else very concerned with the ride of a certain hoop in this race?
His mount was out the back for most of the way then flashed home to finish just out of the place.
Luckily, I had an "insurance bet" in this race and also backed:
5 Mister Celestial WON $5.2w$1.9plNSW
I am a form student and I saw what happened...I will watch with great interest whether the officials also saw it....hmmmm.
You work it out for yourself.
NB. this runner has the "red-light" all over it for it's next start and "smart" punters will back up!

Cheers.

SR5,

is my nomination for "boat" race/dubious result of the day!
If you study the rides of some hoops in the closing stages of this race then you would also be concerned.
Some appeared to be floundering back in the field thereby allowing the longshot to get a winning break. Only then did they show any vigour to finish late and give their mount a "good blow!"
By that time the longshot had well and truly "stolen" the race!
Come on....what is going on...how long will the betting public tolerate such activities?
NB. someone had a late go at it in the betting ring...hmmmm!



Cheers.

Gosford R7,
the favourite missed the start and the commentator stated:
"whatever chance the favourite had..it left it at the barrier...!"
Sure, there had been a delay loading horses in this particular race and several runners were left in the stalls for a long period.
However, don't you think it is coincidental that it was only the short-priced favourite which missed the start hopelessly and played no further part in the race?
You figure it out!

Cheers.

SR3,
I just witnessed probably one of the worst rides in the last five years(IMO)!
My advice to that particular hoop is to go and get a job as a painter or concretor because on that ride you have no future in the racing game!

Cheers.

Kembla R5,
the favourite and 2nd favourite were the only runners to miss the start thereby playing no further part in the race, although the favourite "flashed" home to run fourth.
Go figure...how is it always the well-supported runners which have this incredible bad luck?
This race was a leg of the Quaddie and the winner paid $24.80NSW...maybe I've just answered my own question....hmmm!
When is an ICAC officer going to be appointed to work in conjunction with the Steward's Panel? It can't come quick enough for me and other long-suffering punters who feel the same way!

Cheers.

SR3,
the favourite is the only runner to miss the start then regathers and finishes on "like a steam train" to run third. Those that backed it to win would have had steam coming out of their ears!
Again, I ask...how is it that it is the favourite or well-fancied runner(s) which seem disproportionately represented in those horses that miss the start and effectively play no part in the finish?
Hmmm....you'll have to figure that one out for yourself.
The only redeeming fact is that it was the favourite's first racestart but that is superfluous to the point that I am making.

Cheers.

MR6,

There was a certain horse ridden by a supposedly capable rider in this race.
Yet, he sat three wide all the way and didn't finish on.
The commentator stated: "it didn't run on".....no wonder!
It was a "barry" of a ride yet he still gets his riding fee....what do we punters get....?

Cheers.

MR6,

There was a certain horse ridden by a supposedly capable rider in this race.
Yet, he sat three wide all the way and didn't finish on.
The commentator stated: "it didn't run on".....no wonder!
It was a "barry" of a ride yet he still gets his riding fee....what do we punters get....?

Cheers.

SR8,
Was this a "boat race" or what......?
In the final 250m several hoops adopted a riding style more suited to track gallops or trials...certainly not giving the impression they were keen to win!
One hoop hooked his mount out wide at the back of the field and it was gaining ground on the leaders but then he ran into the backside of a runner in front!
I ask you...is this the effort we would expect from a supposedly top rider....I think not....!
NB. it was the final leg of the quaddie so I have probably answered my own question.
I don't bet on the quaddie much as I feel there are too many temptations for rather dubious practices to occur.

Cheers.

BR6,
the favourite is pulled up soon after the start and plays no further part in the race.
No wonder I very, very rarely bet on Brisbane races!
NB. the horse's name was "Foolish"...maybe this is appropriate for those "desperates" who continue to wager up there.

Cheers.

SR6,
After some very questionable rides by some jockeys the race is won by the longshot....go figure!
Interesting that it was a leg of the quaddie isn't it...hmmmmmmm!
Throw the form books/documents out the window in such races!!

Cheers.

SR4,
Did anyone else have any reservations as to how some horses were ridden in this race?

Cheers.

SR5,
...DITTO.....!!!!!

MR2,
Anyone else share my concern with the ride/run of a certain fancied public elect in this race?
Are the stewards allowing horses to run when not fit enough to perform at their optimum level?
We'll watch with great interest how it goes next start!

Cheers.

MR2,
the ride on a certain runner left a lot to be desired...but then again, the "royalty" of racing have no reason to explain themselves to we "plebs"(the racing/betting public) do they..................?

Cheers.

MR3,
this was a bit better...but...I pose the question - do the officials "tolerate" so-called "practice runs"....I'll leave it up to you!

Cheers.

SR5,
anyone else share my concerns with the extraordinary pace set up front in this race?
Maybe the cynical amongst us would consider that it was to set things up for the swoopers.
NB. Trifecta:$20,254.40.....!!!!!!!!!
You figure it out.....!

Cheers.

SR6,
there was a supposedly top rider who "buried" his mount back in the field amongst "traffic" and then he "got the split" and what did he do....?
He "put the brakes on" and the horse finished unplaced!
Mate, I didn't miss you!
Why do the media "pander" to such individuals?
You figure it out...!!!
People, study your videos and you will see what I mean...!!!!
For goodness sake...what are the officials doing...!!!!?

Cheers.

A certain commentator exclaimed today:
"How could that possibly win?"...!
He then went on to outline this hack's previous form and was left nonplussed!
Like the rest of us mate...the long suffering betting public!
I ask you..is it time for an ICAC officer to be appointed in every state?

Cheers.

MR3,
there was a "late go" for a certain runner which eventually won.
I was on No.7 the usurped PP favourite which ran 2nd and paid $1.4plNSW which equals a 16.67%POT so I am not "talking through my kick!"
No.7 missed the start and settled well back in the field and unleashed a solid run in the straight but the winner had too big a break.
However, I again ask the question: "how is it that the favourite or well-fancied runner misses the start on a disproportional ratio of racestarts?"
You will have to ponder this and work it out for yourselves.

Cheers.

I can't believe I stumbled across this post. Are these fair dinkum posts or a gee up. You can't seriously be this down all the time, why are you punting?

If everything you say is true, how is it possible for someone with no inside knowledge, contacts etc. to win.

As my son would say, "Chill dad".

Point taken,
however, I will always exercise my god-given/democratic right to express my opinion.
eg. BR7, this was a very controversial race and I feel it is something which may in the near future elicit discussion/controversy, being the very principles of this forum.
Contributors of differing views can express themselves in a civil manner and whilst not always agreeing can appreciate the views of other contributors.
Yes, sometimes I do play "devil's advocate" to elicit the very responses as you have so graciously provided.
As you can see from other threads, I am not always "negative"...rather, I am attempting to get people talking/expressing their views in a conciliatory manner.
Good to speak to you.
NB. on another note I am currently enjoying a brew from Millers, U.S.A. named "Chill" "Chelada style" which is similar to Corona....my advice ...give it a go...!

There is no doubt that you have every right to express your views and power to this country we live in.
Just a couple of things: Is it your contention that there is, on a regular basis, skullduggery and illegality going on in horse racing.
Do you invest on horse races and if so, why would you if you believe everything that you say on this thread. Surely a learned man such as yourself could find something a lot less nefarious than investing on crooked horse races.
Enjoy your beer, I have had one but I will stick to the locals.

I agree there was some controversy surrounding BR7.
But I will be interested to see what your take is on this one, because without wanting to give offense, you do tend to go over the top with the drama about these things.

Bob El Issa did stop riding, a stride or so before the post because he genuinely thought he had it won. Much the same as jockeys have done over the ages.

He has made a mistake .....

But the theme of a lot of your threads tends to suggest something crooked has happened. Honest mistake on this one.

SR1,
Hmmm.............!

MR6,
Hmmm.....you figure it out...!

Nothing too much here X, I'd forget it as a form race and move onto further profits.

G'day Stix,
while I respect your opinion...I ask the question...were the officials advised of the change in tactics of the eventual winner:
SR6 5 WON $9.8w$3.0plNSW
although I was on this runne(saver bet) and made a tidy POT I am still concerned that the betting public were not suitably informed. So, as you can see..I am not talking "through my kick" which is the usual "put-down" to counter such claims.

Cheers.

Can you tell why we have the right to know how a horse is going to be ridden? Why the trainer has to tell all and sundry his instructions to a jockey.
Isn't the fact that the horse, jockey and trainer have all put in their best efforts to win the race enough.

Xanadu,

I'm a bit surprised about your concerns about skulduggery in racing. Anywhere there is money to be made it exists, from land developers, Politicians, inside trading and yes especially the gambling industry including horse racing.

Any reading about horse racing history has plenty of common and sometimes spectacular skulduggery mentioned. There was no date at which it suddenly all stopped that's for sure. Regarding the common gripes you mention they are mostly very hard to prove so that's a big problem. Personally I just take it in my stride as part of the game and know yes, often it's going to cost me money so I don't stress about it. It's just another hurdle among many others in trying to beat the bookie, which long-term I never expect to do.

I bet for pleasure nowadays because I love horse racing. If I wanted to make money I could think of plenty of better ways to do it with better odds of success.

posts152-3,
the reason the betting public has the right is because they contribute $billions every year into this industry and expect/warrant excellent administration and ethics in the operation of this industry.
crash, any alleged wrong-doers should be dealt with in a similar manner as HK deals with their integrity issues...it is a model that I would encourage the Australian administrators to follow.

Cheers.

They get excellent administration and as long as everyone is doing their best this should be sufficient.
What if the trainer of Hurrah said "We will attempt to ride on the speed". Would that have been sufficient or would you have complained that this was not exact enough and he should have said, "We will go out with a massive lead", which they did.
What if they wanted to lead and attempted to and were unable to, would they be criticised. Pandora's box is opening.
You know my position on the skullduggery, I think your overplaying it.
Mistakes, sometimes incompetence yes, illegality rare.

Top Rank,
you must live in a "perfect world" and if only this was the case.
The rest of we "battlers" depend on our daily/weekly earnings to put "food on the table."
Therefore, we have every right to expect the officials to advise we "mortals" of expected/anticipated change of riding tactics.
I heard a commentator state something to the contrary earlier today....but then again...what does he know...?

Cheers.

Mmmm,
C'mon Xanadu I have seen you come up with better than that.
I must say but it is great being an immortal. Punt forever.

I shouldn't complain too much as I secured the trifecta(flexi):
13.9.08-SR9 7, 2, 10 paid: $2349.80NSW
which paid a few expenses.

Cheers.

Xanadu

Hurrah is usually ridden handy/on pace & did lead in a race at canterbury back in feb. If you look at the replay you will see that Bowman was caught 3 wide facing the breeze & did try to ease in behind the leaders but was still going to be 3 wide so he then elected to go to the lead. It was then genius or idiot fortunately for Bowman he came up a genius. The particulaly daring thing he did was rather than give his horse a breather coming to the HT & bring his horse back to the field, he made them all work & chase him to make up the ground. In the end this proved to be to big a task for Red Lord with a hefty 58kg & Bowman made him carry every gram of it.

Circumstances were the cause of the change in tactics & I'm sure Chris Waller was glad he had a jock who wasn't frightened to make an executive decision.

Hugh Bowman is one of the top 2 or 3 riders in the whole country, he's an excellent judge of pace, never panics & often times his run to perfection. More importantly than anything else he's a very balanced rider & horses travel for him.

Pete

SR9,
why wasn't this runner mentioned positively in form evaluations....hmmm..you be the judge.