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maverick1993 23rd October 2007 06:12 PM

El Segundo really slingshots the turn here and the short straight helps him,,he also doesnt need the speed on to show this dash either,, ..i really like him and at the 8s i'm very confident..

Zipping you would think would have to do a DIva and go the carpark route ,,but he'll get on the back of something and does like the track,,he's runs of late look better than efficients..i'm already on at the 21's but i'm having alittle extra on the 34's that you can get now..

Miss Finland,,she'll have to take advantage of the draw,,i kind of like her against the rail here as Williams has had trouble keeping her straight,,,,without doing to much work she might show that dash of old,,personally i think shes been trained to get the ground this prep and of course has lost that sprint..Shes got to much class not to atleast get a place here but will need alot of luck..

Devil Moon,,,cant argue the form,,wouldnt be getting to excited about her last run but she is the likely leader and could get a few cheap sectionals..

Haradasun...now i think hes the biggest danger to El...he'll be forward and might get the best of run of anything,,,,,best chance is if he can get the one/one and stay on the rails and not go around a horse..hes been set for this race as is El and its these types that usually win the hardest race on the Calendar..i'm not usually a saver kind of guy but ias has him at 6's so it makes sense to back him..

Efficient now with the blinkers is interesting,,i really think he needs the miracle gaps to appear but you know Loyd really wants this badly and is using his only ace here with the gear change,,,personally i think he needs more of straight to catch these but should run into the money..

These my top 6....

POSEIDON 23rd October 2007 06:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6It079ecPU

great clip, has just about all the Cox Plates in the 70s and 80s... some absolute classics in there....surround, kingston town, dulcify, bonecrusher, red anchor etc.


magik! thanks chuck!

Raw Instinct 23rd October 2007 06:39 PM

Mav I agree Efficients last run was ordinary but there were excuses and that track was disgusting that day, His run before was a ball tearer behind El Segundo and Haradasun over a mile which doesn't suit him at all he has won at 2040m (Albeit against 3yo) likes the valley as I feel he likes the cut out of the ground a bit.

My top few right now are

Efficient
Devil Moon (I do query her a bit at the distance got all favors last start)
El Segundo
Lad of the Manor (he might be my little E/W saver this weekend in the race)
Miss Finland (I think she might get cluttered up LOTM when Makybe won)
Marasco (I think he is better than Haradasun personally I could be wrong have been before)

mugpunter 23rd October 2007 10:12 PM

niconero
 
what do you guys think of niconeros chances, it was a great run behind DM and if he can get a nice position and can pounce on the turn i think he is a chance, he has won at group one level at 1800m and at 8.55 the place I think he is a value runner

crash 24th October 2007 07:03 AM

Efficient [blinkers] w

Haradasun
El Segundo [needs blinkers]
Divine Madonna
Niconero [running well and the smokey]
Miss Finland

This is a hard one. I'll be going for value after the draw and I think Efficient [b5] is good value who's run in the Turnbull should be ignored. He had a hit-out with blinkers first time against stablemate Zipping last Sat. at the Valley and apparently even impressed old Bart.

Haradasun has drawn well in b4 and this is the race he has been set for and is a good wining chance. Should take up a forward slot close to the obvious and only leader Devil Moon [suss at the distance]. I'll throw Haradasun into my multiples though as I think he will be too short for a win bet for me.

Miss Finland with b1 certainly doesn't deserve to start fav. She is really going to cop it from there and will be ridden for luck hoping to set up for a good run from the 800m.

Divine Madonna will get a fair way back but should come home like a train with Efficient, so I put her in my multiples too.

Real Deal 24th October 2007 07:38 AM

As always in the week leading up to the race you hear the whispers....

I have just got off phone with a close mate of mine who does a bit of fill in work during the spring carnival for some trainers, all he could talk about was Marasco, and how well he handled the valley at his gallop and how impressed Kersley is with him. He promised the info was straight from the strapper and they are quietly confident of a big, big showing.

I may have a little on him, but will definately be putting him in my multiples.

crash 24th October 2007 09:39 AM

Geez, your not listening to coat-tuggers are ya' Real Deal?

If Marasco wants to win the Cox Plate, it better start now!

Matilda 24th October 2007 12:39 PM

Hi all,

What is the weather forecast like. Do advise. Thanks.

crash 24th October 2007 01:48 PM

Fine/18 degrees and a dead 4

Matilda 24th October 2007 03:40 PM

Thanks crash. Long value bet will be on Zipping....I thought Magic Cape run behind Princess Coup was a good one. Might put him in the tri....hi hi...With El and Haradasun. Maybe a box of 5 with Devil Moon. I have a feeling that Miss Finland cannot win due to B1 and also she never win on MV and distance wise is only average (3-1-1-0).

Chuck 24th October 2007 05:19 PM

i've said all year that any horse that was beaten last year by a 9 year old trundler Fields of Omagh cannot win it this year so that rules out El Segundo and Miss Finland for me

sportzfan 25th October 2007 05:37 AM

Latest Market
 
MISS FINLAND $3.80 $1.62
HARADASUN $5.00 $1.88
EL SEGUNDO $5.50 $2.00
DEVIL MOON $6.00 $2.11
EFFICIENT $9.00 $2.77
DIVINE MADONNA $13.00 $3.66
MARASCO $14.00 $3.88
ZIPPING $26.00 $6.55
ESKIMO QUEEN $35.00 $8.55
LAD OF THE MANOR $35.00 $8.55
NICONERO $35.00 $8.55
WONDERFUL WORLD $35.00 $8.55
MAGIC CAPE $101.00 $23.22

eagle1 25th October 2007 07:33 PM

El Segundo / Devil Moon
El loves the track..cherry ripe for this
Devil in best form of career..on the up
Marasco last run too bad to be true..can't leave out

eagle1 25th October 2007 07:51 PM

Eskimo Queen my outsider

mugpunter 27th October 2007 12:31 AM

I'm off to bali with the winnings..

$100 e/w on lad of the manor

grey sapphire 27th October 2007 02:14 AM

4 MARASCO
11 MISS FINLAND
1 EL SEGUNDO
12 DEVIL MOON

darkydog2002 27th October 2007 08:54 AM

12 - 7 - 10 - 6

Minimum acceptable price = $5.00

Cheers.
darky.

ps.Take MV R 2 H 3 + 9 for a punting bank for the COX .

brave chief 27th October 2007 09:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck
i've said all year that any horse that was beaten last year by a 9 year old trundler Fields of Omagh cannot win it this year so that rules out El Segundo and Miss Finland for me


that "9yo trundler" has a record of 2 wins, a 2nd & a 3rd in Cox Plates. Ran 2nd to champ Northerly in a Caulfield Cup, as well as numerous WFA races.

El Segundo
Wonderful World
Miss Finland

Gerry 27th October 2007 12:46 PM

My two bob' worth.
 
My ratings and prices for the Plate.

11 Miss Finland*** 68 $3.00
12 Devil Moon 66 $5.30
6 haradasun 65.3 $6.80
10 Divine madonna 64.8 $8.20
1 El Segundo 62.7 $19.60
4 marasco 62.2 $24.90
3 Niconero 62 $27.30
8 Wonderful world 61.5 $34.40
5 Zipping 60.6 $52.70
9 magic cape 60.5 $55.30
2 lad of the manor 58.5 $100.00
7 Efficient 57.4 $100.00
13 Eskimo Queen 52 $100.00

Gerry

Raw Instinct 27th October 2007 03:27 PM

alot of speed on there they sprinted from the 600 and the 1st 5 round the corner finished in the 1st 5 joke of a race really

Merriguy 27th October 2007 03:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mugpunter
I'm off to bali with the winnings..

$100 e/w on lad of the manor
Swimming, I presume! lol

I'm on Flash Trick for the Jayco MILE.

diogenes 27th October 2007 04:39 PM

Congrats to EL + WW called punter few posts back, tooo drunk to 'member nick.
Jumped all over El segundo and am very very happy for C Little.
And me.
Awaiting Pnatanny for last leg of all up, but already very happy with day.

maverick1993 27th October 2007 06:59 PM

Missed WW and kicking myself as he was always going to get a good run....
Happy with my assessment and after last years nose defeat i don't think i would have recovered if he got beat...
EL was never a doubt today..
thought Zipping was good off the slow tempo..,,prob the best run for a MC perspective..

eddie72 28th October 2007 06:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by eddie72
9th August 2007, 09:23 AM, I'm a big fan of El Segundo for the Cox. Don't mind Pompeii Ruler either.


In the end just the one bet, EL $9.00

maverick1993 28th October 2007 08:44 AM

anyone think Haradasun and Ollie went to the front to early ?? i know he was 3 wide but at that tempo you can get away with that,,,thought theres was a few jockeys that might have tried to altleast travel into the race earlier and give themselves a chance..

Horse Whisperer 28th October 2007 08:54 AM

i think its hard to tell what the right move was mav, do you think either way haradasun would have been able to hold out el segundo?

maverick1993 28th October 2007 09:05 AM

None there that can match Els sprint and your right,,,
just think that the jockeys knew what tempo they were jogging at and didnt give themselves a chance at all..

Heard today on tvn that they are saying we have to rate Fieldsy higher but i'm still adamant as obviously the connections are that DG's lack of vigour the last 50m cost him last year......(yes i'm building that bridge)

Cant believe Nolen 11 meets !! wow misses a stack of racing including the MC...didnt look that severe to me...

brave chief 28th October 2007 06:07 PM

11 meetings indeed...

totally rediculous suspension....appeal the severity surely

mugpunter 29th October 2007 12:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Merriguy
Swimming, I presume! lol

I'm on Flash Trick for the Jayco MILE.


its the bombing season anyway this time of year was probably for the best

chubby 29th October 2007 07:56 PM

winners are grinners
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chubby
doesnt really matter....go EL SEGUNDO!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magivor
right now i would be climbing over buildings to get $3.50 Missyy Fin, she is a SPESSSSH

Quote:
Originally Posted by chubby
...like i said...go EL SEGUNDO!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigguy
Sorry Chubby but you may have done you dough. You should consider having a saver wager on Miss Finland.

Quote:
Originally Posted by diogenes
My confident friends, I think you are all in for a surprise! lol


dont you just luv it when youre right ;)


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