i think you are all being to hard on starcraft..he had no room at all couldnt even get started he's a big horse that got the worst barrier he could get...he did well to finish 3rd..
Savabeel had the best run ....FOO wasnt in the form he was last year .

Dead on jimmy_c,

Elvstroem was never given a chance to be in the finish. Jumped a little awkwardly and was settled close to the rear, you don't want to be at the rear on the home turn in a Cox Plate - what were they thinking?

Savabeel's win as a 3yr old just showed what a weak field the Cox Plate had and the hype about Starcraft is just that, hype. I doubt the horse will ever win in the Melb. way of going and seems a very over rated horse. Can't believe the bookie's didn't jump all over the owner's $1 mil. bet for the 5/1 he wanted.

Backed Savabeel to win [and in the comp] but left the rest of the races at the Valley alone. It's a bit of a dog track and I think you have got to look for track specialists and keep away from back markers to win at the Valley.

Bomber Bill's easy as you please win as a 9yr. old was a pointer to how weak these so called 'Group' spring races are becoming. Some of these runners are coming from night meetings and even a couple of first time city starters.

He already has Crash. He did that at his first run in Melbourne.

Hi Sportz. Thanks for the correction, but I was thinking about the big races here and his failure in the Yallumba getting a long way back suggested a loser in the Cox. A horse has to race on the pace in this race.

Starcraft's NZ group wins [and failures there to] aren't anything to brag about and nor is 9 wins from 17 starts. NZ group races [most group 1 races there have prize pools of less than $175,000] hardly match up to Group races here, although I think our group standard is on a downward spiral.

Hi Sportz. Thanks for the correction, but I was thinking about the big races here and his failure in the Yallumba getting a long way back suggested a loser in the Cox. A horse has to race on the pace in this race.

Starcraft's NZ group wins [and failures there to] aren't anything to brag about and nor is 9 wins from 17 starts. NZ group races [most group 1 races there have prize pools of less than $175,000] hardly match up to Group races here, although I think our group standard is on a downward spiral.

07 CARLTON COX PLATE
WFA
2040 Metres
3:30pm
1ST LEG DAILY DOUBLE
2ND LEG QUADRELLA

WIN/PLACE
13 9.30 2.60
4.............4.00
7.............2.10
SPINNER (MIXED) 1.60
QUINELLA 77.30
EXACTA 182.90
TRIFECTA 762.60
FIRST4 3588.90
(13-4-7-1)
SPECIAL DIV 11.00

(13) SAVABEEL
( 4) FIELDS OF OMAGH
( 7) STARCRAFT

SCR - NIL
QUADRELLA SUB - 7

SAVABEEL selected by puntersteve, rabbitz, nashy, Even Stevens, Geez, feather, Seeker11, shaven & wasgoner

FIELDS OF OMAGH selected by moeee, nashy, Matilda, Even Stevens, Chuck_3000, Raw Instinct & wasgoner


STARCRAFT selected by rabbitz, Raw Instinct, Even Stevens, Geez, syllabus23, feather, mug punta, Seeker11, Chuck_3000, smidgin, Raw Instinct, maverick1993, blinkerz, bl4dez, Hammers, goldmember & thefanatic



GRAND ARMEE selected by rabbitz, umrum, Geez, feather, xptdriver, Seeker11, Chuck_3000, Matilda, smidgin, shaven, bl4dez, Hammers, goldmember, wasgoner & thefanatic

Thread covered all multiples including the first4.


Congratulations go to Even Steven who selected the tri ($762.60). Well done!

Starcraft just showed yesterday he is not even close to a 2000m horse and quite honestly after seeing the race again Paolini was the only horse I could make an excuse for wide almost all the way and I think he stuck on fairly well.


Jus heard that they are now planning to spell Starcraft and he will not run past a mile again he will be hard to beat at that range regardless what he did yesterday he is still a good horse at the sprint range.

Question to Paddy.
What's a SPINNER entail predicting?

And Matilda,you know that hat?.Keep it on your head.

thought it a great win and masterful ride.
munce occuplied the spot that starcraft should have pursued from barrier one.

on the pace and move at the turn in the cox plate.
great run by fields of omagh. starcraft was a good effort.
surprised at the way grand armee was off the pace.
he is better than that.
a good race. certainly not as disappointing as some would have it.
rogerson told us his horse was a champion. wonder he has to do to convince us.
(i did have something on him)
(took his word for it)

Gonna do a "rogie"mouth off here....
I noyiced that nearly everyone on this thread put Elvstroem in somewhere.If you read my post on page 6 you will see I declared it could not win,and tipped 4 horses which where IMO the only real chances.
I got the winner quinella 10 times,trifecta5 times and the first4@1 unit.All in all a BIG day for me.Yes,I'm CROWING.GOYOUGOODTHING!!!
The only bet I lost was $100 on Starcraft.

Just curious purpleheart 68
with those trifecta bets and first four did you box them or do standouts
If so what did it cost,because by my calculations you cleaned up around $9 g's

Disappointed the Big Fella couldn't sprint quicker than he did the last 200m, although that's not really his go; a good effort to get as close as he did in the finish.

The most curious thing for me to come out of the race was the number of poor rides. If you backed Elegant Fashion and thought you were a bit stiff in the straight; you're right. Problem with that thought is; she never should have been where she was in the first place! At the 1000m when Munce knew he had to move on Zavabeel (and did), should have sounded the alarm bells in G.Mosse's head. His next move is to do nothing! He sits inside a sprinter, OER and behind a miler, Regal Roller, unbelievable! It was the picture perfect advertisement for local jockeys you'll ever see.

The only two jockeys to leave their settled positions first, were the first two past the post; great rides by both Munce and Nikolic. Of the others, Boss on Starcraft and those directly behind him on the rail could do nothing until someone else first created pace or space and neither ever eventuated. Paolini caught 3 wide the entire trip proved nothing else but nuisance value although no jockey in the 1 wide lane endeavoured to improve their position until it was all too late. Rawiller on Elvstroem was just plain stiff. Missed the jump, angles for a trail at the rear with no resultant pace, baulked for a run at the top of the straight; a neither here nor there result for both connections and backers.


dundas lane .......

good analysis Dunda,

agree with all of them.
Also, Grand Armee was inconvenienced by Elegant Fashion early causing him to lose his position and get further back than expected (I expected him to box seat).
Delzao made up late ground, not sure if was just passing tired horses or that was looking for further, as it looked like he was out-sprinted down the side.

oliver's ride was a shocker. rode grand armee upside down. would have won if ridden correctly.