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umrum 21st September 2005 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matilda
Hope you guys can share with me info on Vouvray.
He has never race above 2400 before. Only won once out of 3 at 2400 and that was last year June at Eagle Farm.

Any opinion on Free at Last.
Like his run in Craiglee last up.



Free at last is a good honest mare. In my opinion she is only up to G2 company and I was expecting a big run in the craiglee. She will struggle from here on in, in top company. However I feel she is a rough place chance for the CC, almost no chance in a melb cup for mine. She also has a great trainer of stayers in Alan Matthews which can only help.

Matilda 21st September 2005 06:58 PM

Thanks Jose and Umrum.

Raw Instinct 21st September 2005 07:08 PM

Agree with you Umrum on Free at Last think it might be a bit better suited to the country cups than the big ones could sneak a place in a caulfield cup but i wouldn't be putting my house on it.

Duritz 22nd September 2005 12:23 PM

I did form for the 3 big ones just the other day, projecting them forward using the ******************** ratings.

On their figures, this is what I found for the horses I liked:

Accumulate - will peak at 119, has 50 both Cups. I like it over the 3200, I reckon at this point it looks very hard to beat. Rated 114 the other day, that was a stayers run for SURE. Trainer knows something about the big race too....

Confectioner - peak probably 122, very well in Caulfield Cup with 52.5. If he does 122 in Caul (rated 117 1st up winning, natural 122 peak then on the 5 point theory), if he does 122 in Caul with 52.5, he wins it.

Vouvray - will peak at 118, has 51.5 both Cups. Keen on her in Caulfield too. 118 will go very, very close with 51.5. Obviously set for it, goes well there.

Dizelle - will peak at 119, has 51.5 both Cups, better suited the Melbourne Cup, pretty sure she'll do 119 there, however gives Accumulate 1.5 kgs.

M.Diva - 126, but with 58 kgs I reckon she'll get beat. In fact, I don't reckon she'll run in the melbourne. If she does, I think they've stopped her. However, she's almost over the line in the Cox. There's only one horse that can beat her: Super Kid from Hong Kong. On the ******************** ratings he has rated solid 120's over there and has once gone 125. That's massive. Makye Diva is the best in Aus with 126, the next best currently racing is only about 123 or less. Might even be 120 now with Grand Armee retired.

Lotteria - has a 120 coming someday. That puts her in most Cox plates very nicely (54.5 kgs WFA 4yo mare), however this year's could rate very high and her 120 might still get beat!

That's my thoughts.

Cheers.

Stix 29th September 2005 08:03 AM

Vouvray for mine....
 
VOUVRAY (Peter Moody) sts: 17 w: 3 pl: 5

Won the Queensland Oaks in 2004.

Ran a good 4th in the Caulfield Cup but lacked maturity to race in the Big one....... so she has been saved this year and has has been trained for the last 12 months with one race in mind............ and only has 51.5kg.

“.......... She is more mature this preparation, so I can give her the work she needs to be ready for the Melbourne Cup,” he said.

She goes round this Saturday in the Turnball.....

Yours In Punting

Stix


Duritz 29th September 2005 02:46 PM

Yeah she's really well in isn't she. Her and another mare, Dizelle, to quinella it!!

I hope she wins the Caulfield first, Vouvray that is, then attracts a 1kg penalty for the Melb and Dizelle knocks her off in that. That'd be great because I've taken that double!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

umrum 29th September 2005 03:06 PM

matilda beadman is on railings in the metrop

Raw Instinct 1st October 2005 03:38 PM

After the run by Lad of the Manor today I am more confident than ever that he can win the Cox plate he showed there today he can run 2000m at a track that wouldn't suit him at that distance Makybe will have to be within a couple of lengths of him at the Valley to beat him I am going to cop plenty for this but the best horse doesnot always win the Cox Plate if you want to know why have a look at the layout of the racetrack Lad will be in the 1st couple regardless of the barriers she will be out the back.


I am putting my head on the chopping block and don't do it very often Lad of the Manor will win the Cox Plate fire away.

Sportz 1st October 2005 04:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by umrum
matilda beadman is on railings in the metrop


Is that Darren's sister? :D

BORDI 1st October 2005 05:03 PM

raw raw raw...

u once told me in an earlier post that makybe wouldnt do much in the making up ground department against lad but i think today proved it. king stated he didnt even push the mare. what does that say???? she is the greatest.


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