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xptdriver 2nd February 2006 11:40 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagele
Has anyone really stopped to analyse why they post tips on this forum?

Is it really a desire to help all those free loaders who contribute nothing or is it really an ego trip.?
In my opinion it is an ego trip and when the tips go bad, the ego is deflated and we bail out.
If the hours spent analysing form resulted in long term profit, why would you post your selections on a forum for free.



Because I am an old lefty from way back.... and my mum taught me to share...

I don't believe that if you find something that works, you should hide it or not share.. Sorry but I can't agree with the above comment.. it is supposition, apart from where Imagele relates his own experience. Imagele or anyone for that matter have no clue as to the motives of people who post tips, only the poster has the clue... I am not as cynical as Imagele, I believe that there are people that are willing to share.. for no other reson than to genuinely offer assistance.. As has been said often here.. take em or leave em..but don't criticise the bloke/girls who post em for free... or question their motives

The amount of money that would be wagered on mine or Sportz or anyone else's tips would IMO be negligible, and not affect the overall dividend..

If the not share attitude were to prevail elsewhere on the net p2p would die a horrible death.. There is nothing wrong with sharing, be it files or tips, and others should'nt really try to paint them as something they are not, on a hunch... I am only talking from my perspective here ofcourse. I also feel that Sportz and most of the others who post here are genuine. I know I don't and I am reasonably confident that they don't see posting tips as some sort of pi***ng contest. My 2 bobs worth

Imagele is obviously very entitled to post as he sees fit... I also am entitled to disagree and post a rebuttal. I like to look for the positives rather than the negatives.

Imagele 2nd February 2006 11:53 AM

G'day XP.
Thanks for your reply.
You are indeed entitled to your opinion.
Get your P.O.T. up to around 20-25% over a long period of time and then let's see what your attitude is.
If you ever achieve that target, I for one will be jumping on board.

xptdriver 2nd February 2006 01:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagele
G'day XP.
Thanks for your reply.
You are indeed entitled to your opinion.
Get your P.O.T. up to around 20-25% over a long period of time and then let's see what your attitude is.
If you ever achieve that target, I for one will be jumping on board.


Gday Imagele
Now there is a holy grail LOL (for me at least) Last month I managed better than 15% (flat stake best tote) so am ecstatic about that.. especially this time of the year.. that is rating all races even ones full of duds and first starters etc..... I reckon if I stuck to races with more exposed form, I may be able to improve POT another few %.. but I choose to do em all

If you are acheiving those numbers more power to ya... And No I wouldn't change my mind as I think the number of people who use my ratings is minimal and have no effect on price returned.

Cheers

Imagele 2nd February 2006 01:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xptdriver
Gday Imagele
Now there is a holy grail LOL (for me at least) Last month I managed better than 15% (flat stake best tote) so am ecstatic about that.. especially this time of the year.. that is rating all races even ones full of duds and first starters etc..... I reckon if I stuck to races with more exposed form, I may be able to improve POT another few %.. but I choose to do em all

If you are acheiving those numbers more power to ya... And No I wouldn't change my mind as I think the number of people who use my ratings is minimal and have no effect on price returned.

Cheers
Xp.
have you ever analysed your win % and level stakes profit/loss on maiden races.
Surely you could eliminate these for starters.
By the way, I am not successful long term on the punt. That's why I was posting my selections. :)

Just for fun, I'll post my selections against yours for the last 4 races at Geelong.
Race 5. Generals Command- Hurricane Hunter-Endless Odyssey-Light Of Prosperity
Race 6. Drizzle-Deign To Dance-Portline-Our Simba
Race 7. Ballygoran-Gainful- First Cru-Magical River
Race 8. Laogon- Mr Reminiscing-Count Lago-Great Provider.

Stix 2nd February 2006 02:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagele
Has anyone really stopped to analyse why they post tips on this forum?

Is it really a desire to help all those free loaders who contribute nothing or is it really an ego trip.?
In my opinion it is an ego trip and when the tips go bad, the ego is deflated and we bail out.
If the hours spent analysing form resulted in long term profit, why would you post your selections on a forum for free.
For that reason nobody should take anyone's tips seriously but rather see it as no more than a game where posters compete with each other to see who can score the most brownie points and gain acceptance amongst their peers.
When I stopped posting due to a perceived lack of interest or acknowledgement of my efforts, I realised also that I was guilty of not acknowledging the efforts of others as well.
Perhaps some life could be breathed back into this forum if the real experts, the owners, posted some free quality information on a daily basis.
Imagele

Very forthright and challenging views you display.......

You're off the mark with regards to my motives for posting, but you have taken quite a broad brush.... so I don't take your comments to heart.

All the best

xptdriver 2nd February 2006 02:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagele
Xp.
have you ever analysed your win % and level stakes profit/loss on maiden races.
Surely you could eliminate these for starters.
By the way, I am not successful long term on the punt. That's why I was posting my selections. :)

Just for fun, I'll post my selections against yours for the last 4 races at Geelong.
Race 5. Generals Command- Hurricane Hunter-Endless Odyssey-Light Of Prosperity
Race 6. Drizzle-Deign To Dance-Portline-Our Simba
Race 7. Ballygoran-Gainful- First Cru-Magical River
Race 8. Laogon- Mr Reminiscing-Count Lago-Great Provider.


Yeah maidens are a drain that's for sure... but if you rate a meeting ya gotta do em

Now ya being competitve here :)
I didnt see this till 3.31 pm and R5 Geelong had gone ( damn it to hell) tho we both had the same selection in R5 (and it won)


so here are mine for 6 onwards

2/02/2006 4:02 GEELONG 6 2 DRIZZLE 22
2/02/2006 4:02 GEELONG 6 4 PORTLINE 22
2/02/2006 4:02 GEELONG 6 6 OUR SIMBA 18
2/02/2006 4:02 GEELONG 6 9 TALL TREES 17
2/02/2006 4:42 GEELONG 7 2 GAINFUL 16
2/02/2006 4:42 GEELONG 7 4 HAZARDOUS HARMONY 14
2/02/2006 4:42 GEELONG 7 5 HOT SUN 7
2/02/2006 4:42 GEELONG 7 7 FIRST CRU 4
2/02/2006 5:22 GEELONG 8 1 COUNT LAGO 27
2/02/2006 5:22 GEELONG 8 3 MR REMINISCING 21
2/02/2006 5:22 GEELONG 8 4 LAOGAN 19
2/02/2006 5:22 GEELONG 8 6 GORGEOUS GIRL 17

Imagele 2nd February 2006 03:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xptdriver
Yeah maidens are a drain that's for sure... but if you rate a meeting ya gotta do em

Now ya being competitve here :)
I didnt see this till 3.31 pm and R5 Geelong had gone ( damn it to hell) tho we both had the same selection in R5 (and it won)


so here are mine for 6 onwards

2/02/2006 4:02 GEELONG 6 2 DRIZZLE 22
2/02/2006 4:02 GEELONG 6 4 PORTLINE 22
2/02/2006 4:02 GEELONG 6 6 OUR SIMBA 18
2/02/2006 4:02 GEELONG 6 9 TALL TREES 17
2/02/2006 4:42 GEELONG 7 2 GAINFUL 16
2/02/2006 4:42 GEELONG 7 4 HAZARDOUS HARMONY 14
2/02/2006 4:42 GEELONG 7 5 HOT SUN 7
2/02/2006 4:42 GEELONG 7 7 FIRST CRU 4
2/02/2006 5:22 GEELONG 8 1 COUNT LAGO 27
2/02/2006 5:22 GEELONG 8 3 MR REMINISCING 21
2/02/2006 5:22 GEELONG 8 4 LAOGAN 19
2/02/2006 5:22 GEELONG 8 6 GORGEOUS GIRL 17

Its ok X. I've got your ratings sitting on the desktop.

Imagele 2nd February 2006 03:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagele
Its ok X. I've got your ratings sitting on the desktop.
Got to claim 2 placings here against your 1.
Me in front so far.
Damn it. That Karikuri knocked me out of the quaddie.
****** apprentice claims are the bane of my punting life.
That thing that was beeped out rhymes with Muddy.

Imagele 2nd February 2006 03:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagele
Got to claim 2 placings here against your 1.
Me in front so far.
Damn it. That Karikuri knocked me out of the quaddie.
****** apprentice claims are the bane of my punting life.
That thing that was beeped out rhymes with Muddy.

Might have just pipped you X in race 7 with the winner first in descending order.

Sportz 2nd February 2006 04:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagele
Damn it. That Karikuri knocked me out of the quaddie.


Should have looked at Brendan Tupper's tips. Now, he IS a good tipster. He had Karikuri on top, and simply betting on each of his 3 selections in every single race, you'd be 39% up with a race to go. Betting only on his top picks, you'd be 141% ahead.

Imagele 2nd February 2006 09:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stix
Imagele

Very forthright and challenging views you display.......

You're off the mark with regards to my motives for posting, but you have taken quite a broad brush.... so I don't take your comments to heart.

All the best
Thanks for replying Stix.
I'm sorry I missed your post earlier in the day.
I'm a little surprised that there has not been a bigger response to what was purposely a provocative view.
My opinion was not intended as a personal affront to any individual but rather an attempt to stimulate some interesting discussion.
The forum has become a little benign and dull of late.

xptdriver 3rd February 2006 06:44 PM

Gday Imagele

back from work.... I assume you wiped the floor with me yesterday? If so good onya :)

Imagele 3rd February 2006 07:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xptdriver
Gday Imagele

back from work.... I assume you wiped the floor with me yesterday? If so good onya :)

No gloating from me XP.
Had a good day today though with 3 winners on top in the 1st 3 legs of the Pak. quaddie and 1st and 2nd in the last leg.
Things are going right for a change.

xptdriver 3rd February 2006 07:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagele
No gloating from me XP.
Had a good day today though with 3 winners on top in the 1st 3 legs of the Pak. quaddie and 1st and 2nd in the last leg.
Things are going right for a change.


Good onya


just catchin up on today.... seems to have been ok

Imagele 3rd February 2006 09:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xptdriver
Good onya


just catchin up on today.... seems to have been ok

Wound up the day X with 3 winners on top and a 2nd. from 4 picks at MV.
Snagged the Quaddie for $10-00. ($200-00/50c. unit.)
A real red letter day for me.
The wash up for Pak. and M. V.- 6 winners on top and 2 2nds. from 8 picks.

Mr ed 3rd February 2006 09:25 PM

Imagele, the reason i post some tips is because i like to put the pressure on myself. If i am going to post a tip it means i have studied the race generally to it's entirety (is that a word?) and i always have a decent wager on the tips i post here. I find that my; time studying/profit (+ or -), ratio has a strong correlation, but recently lost interest in spending 3 hours a night doing form, that's why my tips (and subsequently my larger bets) have dried up. I've had a freshen up though and am looking forward to the coming months. As for the ego thing it is hard to fault your argument and there is absolutely an aspect of that into why i post some tips here, is that a bad thing? I don't think so as it ensures integrity in the (tip) suggestion.

Good to see there is some life left in this old forum yet, as for losing Sportz and Stix' tips, that is a shame as they generally and genuinely had a lot of credibility behind them.

Imagele 3rd February 2006 09:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr ed
Imagele, the reason i post some tips is because i like to put the pressure on myself. If i am going to post a tip it means i have studied the race generally to it's entirety (is that a word?) and i always have a decent wager on the tips i post here. I find that my; time studying/profit (+ or -), ratio has a strong correlation, but recently lost interest in spending 3 hours a night doing form, that's why my tips (and subsequently my larger bets) have dried up. I've had a freshen up though and am looking forward to the coming months. As for the ego thing it is hard to fault your argument and there is absolutely an aspect of that into why i post some tips here, is that a bad thing? I don't think so as it ensures integrity in the (tip) suggestion.

Good to see there is some life left in this old forum yet, as for losing Sportz and Stix' tips, that is a shame as they generally and genuinely had a lot of credibility behind them.

Thanks for your input Mr Ed.
I appreciate your views and I wish others had responded with their views on this matter.
I think most things we do in life is to do with ego and it's not a bad thing.
Just look at the bragging I've done about my results today.
Look forward to all your posts in the future.

Sportz 4th February 2006 06:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr ed
Imagele, the reason i post some tips is because i like to put the pressure on myself.


Unfortunately, I'm the exact opposite. The reason I've stopped posting tips is because I didn't like the pressure I was putting on myself. Well, all I can say is that I had a BRILLIANT day on the punt today and I think a fair bit of that is because I wasn't putting that pressure on myself.

Imagele 4th February 2006 08:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportz
Unfortunately, I'm the exact opposite. The reason I've stopped posting tips is because I didn't like the pressure I was putting on myself. Well, all I can say is that I had a BRILLIANT day on the punt today and I think a fair bit of that is because I wasn't putting that pressure on myself.

Sportz
If I post tips I dont feel any pressure at all because I don't expect anyone to use them unless after a period of time they decide they are worth while.
I also have the choice to post or not post as I see fit.
I would feel pressure if i was being paid to post.
I think it's all about gaining some acceptance among forumites and the comeraderie that it might bring because I have found by and large that the life of a punter can be a lonely one.
There are plenty of hobby punters about but not many serious or educated ones.
(in my area anyway)

Stix 6th February 2006 04:14 PM

Question........
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportz
Unfortunately, I'm the exact opposite. The reason I've stopped posting tips is because I didn't like the pressure I was putting on myself. Well, all I can say is that I had a BRILLIANT day on the punt today and I think a fair bit of that is because I wasn't putting that pressure on myself.
Hey Sportz, Still having fun "playing with yourself".... :D


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