Why don't you explain what you believe is so suspicious and please explain the logic behind your suspicions. I assume you are talking about the winner.

It's pretty obvious to me. My Vegas, a 5YO horse, had 2 wins and 3 seconds from 7 starts. It was 3rd. up in a Listed race at Rosehill over 1100 metres. First up it won a Newcastle Rst65 over 900 metres. Second up it only finished second in a Rosehill Rst91 and started at $12.00. Of course it looked out of its class in a Listed race. So why should the racing media discuss it? Add to that the trainer, Charlie Britt of Gosford is not exactly a high profile trainer. So it is pretty obvious to me with the horse being plunged from $9.00 to $5.50 and winning that connections knew something the rest of us did not. In fact, they were probably too eager and should have let the horse ease out much more in the betting before putting on the money.

Definitely gave this horse a good chance, but I think the plunge was lucky to come off. A few hard luck stories in this one. German Chocolate and Gamble Me just to mention two.
That's racing.

The RB65 win at Newcastle was by 3L coming from 6th on the turn in a race they ran home in 33.61sec to do this My Vegas had to run home in under 33secs, OK it was only a 65 at Newcastle but that's a super sectional & big win anywhere.

He was then backed from 16-1 into 11-1 when he ran a close 2nd to Kiloton (a horse with a huge wrap on him) in a Saturday RB91 (1 class below city open) at Rosehill.

All his form in Mexico was on city tracks except his 5L maiden win at Kilmore. He also started fav in his 1st 4 runs. Obviously he's always impressed in trackwork but has had his problems. So it was all there for anyone who wanted to look hard enough.

I didn't spend more than about 5mins on this race before I decided there where too many chances & the market agreed with me with a 4-1 fav and another 5 horses in single figures 4 of them under 11-2. An ambitious plunge in a listed race with so many chances but nothing suspicious. Mr logics also made a few very valid points.

While my intention is not to inflame this issue I feel that an explanation of some of my comments is helpful.
First, I will always reject some interloper(s) attempting "to put words into my mouth" with statements such as: "what did you mean by that...are you suggesting...etc?"
We've seen/heard it all before-anyone who steps up to express their constitutional/god-given rights of free speech are immediately attacked by others who may have a hidden agenda...you work it out for yourself.
So, fellow forumites...are you going to allow the "thought-police" to intimidate you expressing your views or cower to their wants/demands?
Thank You.

Cheers.

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Point taken,

No offence intended.

Cheers.

Yes OK. You have your god given rights all sewn up, but are you going to expand on the My Vegas race or just throw a suspicion out there and then go down the "God Given Avenue" when someone throws up valid reasons for the performance.

C'Mon Xanadu, please explain.

No, Top Rank,
My comments were intended to arouse serious/intelligent debate without casting aspersions on any runner...you didn't back it did you.....?
I am sure you would agree with the principles of this wholeheartedly...am I right..?

Cheers.

So do you have a position on this one or are you getting splinters on the fence?
Clearly KT, Mr. L and myself believe "no big deal" with this one, is that what you were after?

For the record I was on German Chocolate.

Result: 20.9.08- SR9:
1 German Chocolate 3rd $2.50plNSW
Well, if you had invested in my recommended ratio of 1x5 you would have returned a healthy 108.33%POT!!!!!
I ask you...are you going to convert to my betting principles?

Cheers.

I would write more but I cannot stop chuckling.
Should be a politician Xanadu.
If your "principles" work for you, keep going I am not going to tell you how to wager your hard earned.

Goodonya,
Haveagoodun.

XANADU, in allyour prognostications about suss races you must always factor in two salient points, first most jockeys these day have no idea how fast tha are going or what the pace of the race is and secondly and most importantly they are the only breed of human who would fail an IQ TEST CONSISTENTLY. But we still keep punting so we cant be to far below their level can we?

mjr,
I disagree whole heartedly!
As you probably know ..I have been lobbying for some time that an ICAC officer be appointed to work closely with the stewards and pursue issues which he/she deems appropriate.
They should copy the very efficient model instigated by the HK officials.
Just in passing ...how is it that so many jocks have returned to our shores from HK in such a relatively short space of time, theoretically foregoing enormous amounts in riding fees?
I'll save that for another thread.......!

Cheers.

xanadu,
Personally, I think you have one too many conspiracy theories going on here.
Who knows, maybe your right, but evidence seems thin on the ground or more to the point, non-existent. Stewards only investigate facts, not punter speculation put forward as 'fact'.

Anyone who knows how to analyse race videos properly & also reads the stewards reports, knows that for the most part the stewards do a very good job of querying anything that is at all questionable & are very quick to take action where possible & needed.

Are some horses given a run? Yes
Does it happen often? No
Are there races where all the jockey's are in on it & only one horse can win the race? Not an easy thing to do & I haven't seen it on a metro track since the early 80's.

For the most part the stewards do a very good job & metro/provincial racing is 99% of the time reliable. You will see some pretty dodgy stuff at some of the country tracks but not regularly & it's only gotten away with because the stewards aren't as well educated.

In my experience anyone who continually makes wild & unfounded accusations of impropriety simply can't accept that they have made an error in judgment & are looking to blame something other than themselves for losing their money.

Flaming. Last warning. Posters are entitled to disagree with others' opinions.

Moderator 3.

A very nasty flame. Have seven day's suspension while you consider your posting style.
Moderator 1.

Low content. Deleted.

Damn I missed all the action

Please do not make these insinuations here.
Moderator.

Post deleted. You are welcome to post facts. Please avoid making any comments which suggest or hint at an impropriety. Make those comments if you wish to the proper authorities and definitely NOT in this place. This is a final warning. Please take note. Moderator.

Disputing moderators and calling a suspension for a "nasty flame" soft is not acceptable here. 14 days suspension. Moderator 1.

Do you think so........?
Anyone who dislikes this thread are obviously a person who is:
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I'll leave it at that except to say that we must never let the "thought police" win or we are not exercising our democratic rights to free expression.

Kembla:
PR1,
hmmm...what did you think?

Cheers.

SR1, a horse rears at the start and it's chances are virtually wiped after that.
Coincidentally, the horse was the favourite and I again ask...why does it always seem to be the favourite which misses the start?

A dozen curiosities or more today, but that's the name of the game.

Nice ride on Youthful Jack Ross...

There will be plenty of ink written up by the stewards today, they might walk out before the lights get turned off ;)

The answer to your question is pretty simple in my opinion. As most punters are either on the favourite, or watching the favourite, because it is a market danger to their bet, of course they notice when the favourite rears at the start. But they don't take any notice and remember the $20, $50, $100 chances that also rear at the start. I suggest you keep some stats and then you will see that your myth of it always seeming "to be the favourite which misses the start" will be disproved.

Yeah...right...I'll get onto that right away...sport!

Go figure....,
MR3,
the race is won by the longer priced stablemate while the odds-on favourite ran second.
Good luck to connections and commiserations to most punters...except for those "smart" punters who, like me, backed both!

Cheers.

SR2,
the reason that jockeys are engaged to ride a stable's representative is for their skill, judgement and guile.
Well a certain hoop displayed none of these attributes in this race!
Yet, he receives a monetary reward/fee for his ride...what does the racing/betting public get...only the knowledge that their wager was in vain.

Cheers.

What about some of the results so far today particularly at Gosford.
Small fields are certainly a recipe for disaster..anyone would think the well-supported runners had lost a leg...longshots appear to be the order of the day...go figure.

Cheers.

Go figure.....!
Some rider(s) today at Hawkesbury couldn't even stay upon their mount.

Cheers.

Melb. was no different [as usual on Oaks day].

MR6,
what about the debacle in this race!
If the officials conclude the great horse was "too fresh" and under-done then there should be an inquiry!
The public is sick and tired of this!
We'll wait and see what eventuates!
At the presentation the speaker stated: "this is what racing is all about...."
Will the public's confidence be undermined?
That is for all of us to decide.

SR6,
did anyone else have concerns with the rides of a couple of hoops in this race?

Cheers.

Wyong R2,
Five horse field and the outsider wins....go figure!