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stugots 25th May 2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chrome Prince
In markets where there is a draw selection offered, you do the same procedure as above on that selection as well.
If a draw occurs on a sporting event where there is no Draw selection
offered, then...

Dead heats

Unless stated otherwise in the Specific Sports Rules the Dead Heat Rule applies to bets on a market where there are more winners than expected.
Dead heat is a term that describes when two or more selections in an event tie. If a “dead-heat” between two selections is declared on any event, half the stake is applied to the selection at full odds and the other half is lost. If more than two “dead-heats” are declared, the stake is proportioned accordingly.



Thanks.

I see alot of early World Cup round 1 soccer matches are available, so taking the Australia/Chile game as an example (99% market), I would lay now at avail prices

Chile $1.56
Aust $8.20
Draw $4.50

& say I could back on game day at 99% again

Chile $1.40
Aust $10.00
Draw $5.60

results excluding comm

Chile win $10*(1.40-1.56) -$1.60
Aust win $10*(10.00-8.20) +$19.80
Draw win $10*(5.60-4.50) +$13.20

Am I on the right track?

Chrome Prince 25th May 2014 11:03 AM

Exactly, and look at the effective odds you've got to liability!
Of course there will be lots of small losses, but when an outsider wins it's cash in the bank way over the odds. Plus there are times when the favourite drifts and wins at short prices. Not every transaction will be an overlay, I have got under the effective odds a few times, and the same effective odds also, but the overlays achieved outweigh any losses.

The downside is the amount of manual work involved, scanning sports, putting your lays on, THEN making sure all backs are put on right before the match.
The good side is that id you make a boo boo, and you will, and miss out on putting the back part on for whatever reason, you only lose less than 1% anyway.

I now have my spreadsheet and transfer the pre event time to my outlook calendar. I then, sync my Iphone and get a reminder. So I can trade out on the mobile site if not at home.

EPL soccer is brilliant because the have SP. I have also asked about having sport SP in the Betfair Q&A on the 27th.

Mark 25th May 2014 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark
Take that back as I've just run the numbers on a hypothetical.
Lay 1.28 Back 1.20 Loses .80
Lay 4.80 Back 5.60 Wins 8.00


Now to take this a step further.
Instead of having 10 back on the bolter you only have 9 leaving this result.
+.20 or +3.40

Chrome Prince 25th May 2014 11:08 AM

That would be utopia, but you don't know for sure if it will firm and be left exposed greater on the outsider if it firms. Quite a few have.

stugots 25th May 2014 11:10 AM

Cheers CP

Much like tennis for most of the year, the amount of bet-able soccer matches during any given week is well frankly, insane. So yes, I can see there would be a fair amount of work keeping on top of it all.

Speaking of tennis, it would also appear a perfect sport for this strategy with lots of well supported minor tournaments throughout the year.

Mark 25th May 2014 11:14 AM

I know you would have done your research so how often does the bolter firm?, because this could cause some nasty looking books and results if they win.

Mark 25th May 2014 11:20 AM

Could this be applied to racing? the drifters being your winners.

stugots 25th May 2014 11:50 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Could this be applied to racing? the drifters being your winners.



Isnt this basically trading so would attract the turnover charge on many racing markets.

Chrome Prince 25th May 2014 12:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I know you would have done your research so how often does the bolter firm?, because this could cause some nasty looking books and results if they win.


Not that often, and they win even less often, so overall yes you will get a bad beat, but the odds you're getting on overlays compensate. but yes you will get some bad results now and then. Overall it is a very good winning strategy including those occasional hiccups.

Chrome Prince 25th May 2014 12:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Could this be applied to racing? the drifters being your winners.


that's what we were doing automated months ago, but liquidity is too thin and there are too many options to lose. In sports there are only two or three options (the draw) so you stand a better chance.
Racing is where this evolved for me, and I then found sports was far better in all ways, far more work, as it's all manual and very difficult to find all the correct events and back back just before each event starts.
I stick to majors leagues in rugby, soccer, tennis, AFL, Basketball, Baseball, gridiron.
As a rule I never touch minor leagues, darts, badminton, politics, golf.
There's more than enough work in the majors.


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