According to WA press this morning, connections of Plastered have knocked back a $1.5 million offer from a prominent Victorian owner wanting to buy the horse before the Victoria Derby on Saturday.

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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-10-28 09:24 ]

rogerson has been trying to buy it!
He said on racing radio this morning that it looks a cups horse all over for next year.

You western folk have gone very quiet lately, I suppose you're just resting up for your big carnival which is just around the corner :smile:

Not sure about the rest of the bunch Paddy, but my visits to this forum are becoming less frequent - a lot more negativity than normal imo.

As for our carnival, bring it on and looking forward to it!

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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-03 00:28 ]

Hi sandgroper, as a keen WA fan from the gold coast, I enjoy your and other wa posts.

Don't let some negative hicks stop you from giving your opinion mate.

Keep up good efforts

JF

On the subject of the Ascot summer carnival, there's a new format this year for 4 of the most popular race dates of the carnival, condensing these into a week-long timeframe as follows:

Saturday, December 4 - Railway Stakes.
Wednesday, December 8 – Listed Jungle Dawn Classic.
Saturday, December 11 - Colonel Reeves Stakes.
Sunday, December 12 - Fruit ‘n’ Veg Stakes.

Going to be a great week!


PS. Thanks JF.


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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-03 17:58 ]

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On 2004-11-03 17:56, Sandgroper wrote:
On the subject of the Ascot summer carnival, there's a new format this year for 4 of the most popular race dates of the carnival, condensing these into a week-long timeframe as follows:

Saturday, December 4 - Railway Stakes.
Wednesday, December 8 – Listed Jungle Dawn Classic.
Saturday, December 11 - Colonel Reeves Stakes.
Sunday, December 12 - Fruit ‘n’ Veg Stakes.

Going to be a great week!


PS. Thanks JF.


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Sandgroper :smile:

I'm not happy with sunday meeting and having the jungle dawn on the wednesday meeting is a pain.

And why is that umrum. Care to elaborate?

From an interstate trainers perspective might find the new format attractive.
Could potentially bring over a few horses, aimed at a number of feature races, all happening over a short period.

Could be right Geez, we'll have to wait and see.

To wet your appetite take a look at the current noms for Saturday's group 2 Winterbottom (1200m).

CATION 57.5
CENTO 57.5
DARK 'N' DANGEROUS 57.5
FAIR ALERT 57.5
HARDRADA 57.5
KAME'S HOPE 57.5
KAPRATS 57.5
MAJOR DEAL 57.5
MODEM 57.5
MR SANDGROPER 57.5
PRINCE OF VASAC 57.5
QUASAROCK 57.5
SECRET REMEDY 57.5
WESTERN TYCOON 57.5
ELLICORSAM 55
GOLDEN DELICIOUS 55
STIR PAK 55
REDWOLDT 52.5
REFEMME 50



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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-03 22:51 ]

If all or most of those start Sandgroper, should be a great race.

Wednesday is a work day for starters and having so many races close together will only weaken each respective race. that wednesday meeting I can see a full quality field for the jungle dawn surrounded by absolute S**T fields. Instead of having a carnival the turf club should focus on having to or three saturday meetings chock a block with full qaulity fields. At least they're trying something but I not sure it will work.

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On 2004-11-03 22:50, Sandgroper wrote:
Could be right Geez, we'll have to wait and see.

To wet your appetite take a look at the current noms for Saturday's group 2 Winterbottom (1200m).

CATION 57.5
CENTO 57.5
DARK 'N' DANGEROUS 57.5
FAIR ALERT 57.5
HARDRADA 57.5
KAME'S HOPE 57.5
KAPRATS 57.5
MAJOR DEAL 57.5
MODEM 57.5
MR SANDGROPER 57.5
PRINCE OF VASAC 57.5
QUASAROCK 57.5
SECRET REMEDY 57.5
WESTERN TYCOON 57.5
ELLICORSAM 55
GOLDEN DELICIOUS 55
STIR PAK 55
REDWOLDT 52.5
REFEMME 50



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Gee that's a nice field and a great betting race. ellicorsam - what price get on! Hardrada and redwolt to fill the drums.

We've lost a few but still a great field.

Group 2 Winterbottom Stakes (1200m).

1 Hardrada 13 OPN 57.5 Jason Whiting L P Luciani
2 Modem 12 OPN 57.5 Paul Harvey T M Andrews
3 Kaprats 11 OPN 57.5 Shaun Mc Gruddy W L Radford
4 Mr Sandgroper 3 OPN 57.5 Paul King D A Edwards
5 Kame's Hope 5 OPN 57.5 Steven Parnham R W Price
6 Cento 6 OPN 57.5 Noel Rudland F R Kersley
7 Prince Of Vasac 4 OPN 57.5 Patrick Carbery B M Dudley
8 Major Deal 10 OPN 57.5 Dion Luciani W H Godecke
9 Golden Delicious 1 OPN 55 Jason Brown J P Taylor
10 Ellicorsam 8 OPN 55 William Pike S L Miller
11 Stir Pak 7 OPN 55 David O'Heare J G Parker
12 Redwoldt 9 OPN 52.5 Daniel Staeck L P Luciani
13 Refemme 2 CL6 50 Peter Knuckey G E Daly


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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-04 19:59 ]

You can tell the good stuff is coming up :smile:

Sure can shaun1993!


Current Ozbet EW odds for the Winterbottom.
Some pretty goods horses showing double figures.


ELLICORSAM $2.80
REFEMME $4.80
GOLDEN DELICIOUS $6.50
MODEM $7.50
REDWOLDT $8.00
HARDRADA $11.00
KAPRATS $16.00
KAMES HOPE $16.00
PRINCE OF VASAC $21.00
MR SANDGROPER $31.00
CENTO $41.00
STIR PAK $41.00
MAJOR DEAL $151.00


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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-05 13:32 ]

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On 2004-11-05 13:31, Sandgroper wrote:
Sure can shaun1993!


Current Ozbet EW odds for the Winterbottom.
Some pretty goods horses showing double figures.


ELLICORSAM $2.80
REFEMME $4.80
GOLDEN DELICIOUS $6.50
MODEM $7.50
REDWOLDT $8.00
HARDRADA $11.00
KAPRATS $16.00
KAMES HOPE $16.00
PRINCE OF VASAC $21.00
MR SANDGROPER $31.00
CENTO $41.00
STIR PAK $41.00
MAJOR DEAL $151.00


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mr sandgroper and hardrada appeal at the odds though i think ellicorsam might have a bit too much in hand for them.

GOLDEN DELICIOUS

A little EW Kaprats will do me :wink:

Do you reckon Paddy.

Will be interesting to see how he’s ridden from the wide draw.
Can race on the pace or settle back. Bit of speed in the race so might get back a bit.
Let’s hope he doesn’t get too far back.


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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-05 22:36 ]

Yeah, the wide draw is a bit of a worry in such a good field, but he did win so well last start after copping a bit of interferance early on. I might have a bit more for a place with fixed odds.

How do ya think your namesake will go, if you don't mind me asking (I know you like to keep things close to your chest these days :roll: )

My mail is that David has him primed and ready. Done a treat during his layoff but not suited under the WFA scale. Be pleasantly surprised if he gets into the finish.

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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-05 23:11 ]

Okay, thanks Perth Placegetter, might include in my multiples anyway. You never know, still a youngster & most likely still on the improve.


So, the big question, is Ellicorsam over the line?

Good question Paddy. If you ignore her last effort in Hannans, my answer would be an emphatic no. Although she’d previously won 4 in a row in WA by an average of around 4lens, she’d only beaten mid-week class. Also had an unsuccessful stint in SA, although did have a few problems during that campaign.

Seems to have relished the short break after the SA campaign and did win the Hannan’s on her ear and improved considerably on her best city rating in doing so.

I’ll include her in my multiples, but at the odds on offer, that’s about it. There’s a few in the race, that appear to be offering much better value.

Ellicorsam could easily go on with it, so if you like her don’t let me deter you from backing her.



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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-05 23:45 ]

I think she can win but too short for my liking. I've backed Prince Of Vasac EW, huge win last start. Also like Modem, Golden Delicious and Redwoldt. Might box those five.

Thanks again Sandgroper and good morning Geez (no! it’s still evening over there).

Forgot about Modem, great first-up record and will have the services of the pontiff. Have to add that one to my multiples as well – the list is growing.

So Sandgroper, one final question. What are you backing??

Still up Paddy, isn’t past your bedtime? Just after 9.30 over here, what’s your excuse?

What am I’m backing?

From memory someone asked you that very thing on the Melbourne cup thread, don’t recall a reply :smile:



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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-06 00:40 ]

Well if you must know I backed Vinnie & Hugs! Now aren’t we glad I didn’t post before the race :wink:

Funny that! Hugs was one of my bets as well. Nothing finishing better over the last bit, but got way too far back.

What am I’m backing Paddy. As many starters as I can, if I can get the right odds.


But if pushed for just the one selection, it would be the bottom weight.


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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-06 01:12 ]

Would be what Sandgroper?

Not sure what you’re on about Paddy. Have already told you.

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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-06 01:13 ]

Yeah funnee! I can see it now. Cheers Perth Placegetter :smile:

My selections for the Winterbottom are:-

(10) ELLICORSAM
(2) MODEM
(9) GOLDEN DELICIOUS
(13) REFEMME

Paddy, that would be the "PPM" (Partypoopers Plum Movers) clear cut selection "REFEMME"

Hope you guys remembered that tip i gave you somewhere on this thread yonks ago "Maewest" it was worth the wait.
That means i'm one for one in WA . Think i'll quite while i'm ahead :smile:

Yeah, well done maverick1993.
Wrote it down in my little green book when you tipped it.

Might have missed it yesterday had Jason Brown not been on board - one of my fav WA jocks. Nice effort too from a wide barrier. Paid 9/2 here.

Haven't seen a mention elsewhere but just wish to record the untimely passing of one WA's better performed thoroughbreds in Hot Shot Brother. He died after collapsing during a track gallop last Wednesday. HSB was a winner of 6 races and 6 places from 16 starts including the Group 3 Scahill Stakes last summer. It is tragic to see a quality performer like him coming to early unexpected end.

That's tragic news Rain Lover. Hard to believe. I know he ran very well in a trial a couple of weeks ago. Was looking forward to another top campaign.




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[ This Message was edited by: Sandgroper on 2004-11-08 23:10 ]

That's shocking news Rain Lover. I still remember the Scahill Stakes vividly. Nosed out Kames Hope in a tight finish. Won me a lot of money that day. Best racing was still to come. A real shame.

Yes, tragic news re Hot Shot Brother. Commiserations to the connections.


Quick post mortem on the Winterbottom. Not taking anything away from the winner (who looks to have developed into a extra smart sprinter – clocking 1:08:66 for the 1200M) but did have the race handed to her on a platter. Have some doubt that she can repeat over 1400M or longer against same class field. Thought the runs of the race were from both Redwoldt and Modem. Both didn’t have the best of runs yet made up a lot of ground on the winner over the concluding stage. Expect great things from these 2 over next couple of months. Hardrada and Prince Of Vasac who were not suited under the weight scale, also put in good runs, both running on well over the concluding stages. I was a little surprised to see Refemme backing up so quickly (won on Tuesday) – not really wanted in the market and raced accordingly.