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wesmip1 11th May 2007 01:55 PM

Quote:
70% Double Bank or be in front after 7 days.

You cannot infer profitability from that.

In a negative game you would expect that your 3 combined losses would be bigger than your 7 combined wins.

Sorry my fault for infering that. It all depends on how and where you set the stop for the progressive staking plan.

What I am trying to say is that by using an appropiate stop point in the staking plan (whether it be a % profit or a time frame) that it is possible to turn a negative game into a positive outcome.

Good Luck.

Racer 11th May 2007 04:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wesmip1
crash,

Theory is great but we all know those who can't do, teach.... I want to see real results to prove these things, and I would be very happy to be proven wrong.

Wes.,

This is what Pittsburgh Phil says,

"Here is a million pound challenge -
If anyone can prove to me that a staking plan can turn a negative system
into a profitable one, then they can have a million *"

That was a couple of years ago - I think he's still waiting - I shall inform him
that you are coming for the bullion.

wesmip1 11th May 2007 05:11 PM

Racer,

It is possible without a doubt to turn a negative return into a positive.

Simple answer is double every bet till you get a profit. In theory it works. The math proves it works. In practivce its just plain stupid but it meets his requirement.

wesmip1 11th May 2007 05:14 PM

I could also prove it this way


Strike rate 99%.
Staking is Double on every loss.
Average winner = 1.01

Level stakes is a 0.01c loss every 100 bets.
Useing staking as above is a $1 profit every 100 bets.

Your longest losing run will be only be 3 which wouldn't break the bank.

wesmip1 11th May 2007 05:57 PM

Results today:

Day 3 Backing Progressive : $177.29 PROFIT
Day 3 Laying Progressive : $ -307.86 LOSS (CARRIED FORWARD FORM DAY 2)
Day 3 Backing Level Stakes : $110.80 PROFIT
Day 3 Laying Level Stakes : $-118.30 LOSS

Overall :
Backing Progressive : $356.81 PROFIT
Laying Progressive : $-290.46 LOSS
Backing Level Stakes : $65.10 PRFOIT
Laying Level Stakes : $-100.50 LOSS

Good Luck.

crash 11th May 2007 06:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wesmip1
Racer,

It is possible without a doubt to turn a negative return into a positive.

Simple answer is double every bet till you get a profit. In theory it works. The math proves it works. In practice its just plain stupid but it meets his requirement.


It's more than that, it's a total nonsense answer.

A simple answer sure. But a practical solution? Not in a million years as your theoretical double up stakes would kill the odds or you would never get anyone to accept them if you had the endless bank to put the money up in the first place.
.

I think Pittsburgh Phil meant prove it in practice, not in theory. That's why he still has his million.

Your on a hiding to nothing here. Give it up!

Racer 12th May 2007 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wesmip1
Racer,
Simple answer is double every bet till you get a profit. In practivce its just plain stupid but it meets his requirement.


Everything one needs to know is in your reply Wes. - Keep doubling up and you will be broke long before your bookie.

Note the Asterisk at the end of Phil's offer - As Crash intimates, that is re.
demonstrating the proof.

Save yourself a lot of research time on this one Wes. - the world's great
mathematicians and odds\percentages men, who advised all the Casinos
how to set up to win\never to lose in the run, they have covered it all,
in spades, so to speak.

stugots 12th May 2007 12:23 PM

the reason for wanting to turn a negative into a positive?

one would be looking for shortcuts & less homework, methinks

twas that easy mugs everywhere would be raking it in

surely starting with a positive leans an endeavour toward success?

crash 12th May 2007 12:41 PM

The simplicity of this stupidity is this: If it was possible to turn a negative expectation into a positive expectation by a staking method, all Casino's and Bookies in the world would have been skinned alive many years ago.

Sell the house and turn yourself into cash if you believe in it's possible. The Casino's and Bookies will compete with each other to get a Limo to your door.

Top Rank 12th May 2007 03:43 PM

Bhagwan,
See you in first class on my next trip. LOL.


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