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michaelg 26th January 2013 08:19 PM

A good day - from the 37 selections there were 37 smiles for a profit of $462.32.

michaelg 27th January 2013 09:54 AM

Not many selections today:

Newcastle
4/18
7/9
8/14

Werribee
3/12
4/6, 7
5/10

Benalla
4/1

Port Lincoln
4/2
5/1, 3, 12
7/11

Geraldton
4/8

michaelg 27th January 2013 08:39 PM

From today's 14 selections there were 14 smiles for a profit of $163.97.

michaelg 28th January 2013 11:38 AM

Today's selections:

Wellington
1/11
2/2, 6, 9
3/14
4/11

Murray Bridge
2/9
4/1, 3

Mornington
2/10
4/9
5/9

Bunbury
1/5, 8, 11
2/12
4/6
5/10
8/4, 10

michaelg 28th January 2013 08:34 PM

Not a bad day. From the 18 selections there were 18 smiles for a profit of $88.67.

After the first week of increasing the bets to a liability of $333, the profit made is $975.84.

michaelg 29th January 2013 12:03 PM

Today's selections:

Murtoa
8/9, 11

Mackay
6/6, 7, 9, 11

SpeedyBen 29th January 2013 03:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelg
Today's selections:

Murtoa
8/9, 11

Mackay
6/6, 7, 9, 11
Mother Nature is playing havoc with race mtgs here and in the UK Michael.

michaelg 29th January 2013 04:35 PM

S.B.

Townsville 4/10 won at huge odds and finished like a favoured horse. It would have been a selection (and an accident) but thankfully it was eliminated by the filter of must not be resuming now or at its previous start.

I've got my fingers crossed for today's two races.

michaelg 29th January 2013 05:39 PM

Today's 6 selections became 6 smiles (one ran second, thankfully it was beaten) for a profit of $37.58.

SpeedyBen 29th January 2013 07:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelg
S.B.

Townsville 4/10 won at huge odds and finished like a favoured horse. It would have been a selection (and an accident) but thankfully it was eliminated by the filter of must not be resuming now or at its previous start.

I've got my fingers crossed for today's two races.
I am running two versions of your plan, Michael. One is similar to yours but the other is much looser. I laid the above mentioned horse at Mackay at $230. ( What kind of fool backed it, I'd like to know ). I had laid the leader in the race in running for $100 so I was pleased to see the longshot steaming down the outside.

stugots 30th January 2013 08:41 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedyBen
What kind of fool backed it, I'd like to know




Shouldn't that be the other way around?;)

michaelg 30th January 2013 12:18 PM

Today's selections:

Eagle Farm
3/7
5/9
7/4, 13

Gawler
3/1, 2, 12
5/9, 11
6/6, 7, 9, 10, 11
7/9
8/13

Ballarat
2/16
7/3

Ascot
3/8, 11
4/5, 13
6/5, 6 ,12
7/11
8/2, 13

Launceston
3/11
4/4, 8, 10, 15
6/11
8/1
9/4, 5, 12

TheSchmile 30th January 2013 12:24 PM

Hi Michaelg,

What are your thoughts on Heavy tracks, such as Eagle Farm today?

I recall in a different thread of yours sometime ago, that you preferred to skip these meetings?

michaelg 30th January 2013 01:03 PM

Yes, T.S, heavy tracks have always been a worry.

However, from day one I've not discriminated with the state of the track for this Lay method and unfortunately have not kept records. Because of this I have to "fly blind" and assume/hope that the D.S. and Unitab ratings are fairly accurate when combined, but there's always the added possibility that the best horse may not win the race or even come close to it because of the unpredictably of the track.

TheSchmile 30th January 2013 01:43 PM

No worries Michaelg,

Hope it keeps on going strong!!

michaelg 31st January 2013 12:39 AM

Not a good day. There was one accident from the 35 selections for a loss of $71.10.

I went to the pub to watch the Geale/Mundine fight (glad I didn't have a bet because I thought Mundine was at a good price) but before I went I increased the size of some of the system bets, fortunately to end up with an overall profit.

michaelg 31st January 2013 11:54 AM

Today's selections:

Wyong
7/11

W'bool
1/7, 8
4/7, 15, 16
6/10
7/2, 14

Albany
1/6, 8, 11
2/3, 11
5/9
6/4, 7, 11
7/2

michaelg 31st January 2013 09:01 PM

Not a bad day - from the 18 selections there were 18 smiles for a profit of $158.88.

Happily, yesterday's loss of $71.10 has been recouped.

michaelg 1st February 2013 11:59 AM

Today's selections:

Tamworth
2/15
3/1, 6
4/4, 14, 15, 18
6/10
8/11

Albury
2/8
3/11
4/7, 9
6/9, 13, 16

W'ratta
1/4, 7
3/2
4/4
6/12
7/14

Ipswich
7/7, 9

M.Valley
6/12
8/3

stugots 1st February 2013 12:17 PM

Going nicely MG - are you keeping track of those excluded by the Unitab ratings rules as there might be a back system there

michaelg 1st February 2013 12:42 PM

Unfortunately I don't keep that type of record.

However I've been on-and-off looking at boxing quinellas of all the horses that are not the lay selections, so almost all the field is boxed. However I haven't kept records but expect to do so when/if I get time.

For example, yesterday the quinella was struck in the 10 qualifying races. The total outlay was $467 and the Unitab return was $985.

michaelg 1st February 2013 03:22 PM

Out of interest I've checked the results of box quinellas for today's races already run.

There's currently been 7 races for 7 successes. An outlay of $298 for a return of $580.

michaelg 1st February 2013 10:33 PM

Not a bad day. From the 23 selections there were 23 smiles for a profit of $170.31.

From the 16 races there were 16 successful quinellas. The outlay was $638 for a return of $855.

Merriguy 2nd February 2013 08:39 AM

Going along swimmingly, Michael. If you are in Sydney you had have to be able to swim over the last 24 hours or so!!!

Two things though, for the sake of accuracy, by my count there were only 17 selections yesterday, or really only 16 as Tamworth 8 was abandoned.

Your quinella idea seems to have legs. Which TAB are you using for your figures?

UselessBettor 2nd February 2013 08:50 AM

The problem with exotics is that pay a lot less as soon as you start betting on them.

stugots 2nd February 2013 09:52 AM

Amen to that

michaelg 2nd February 2013 12:36 PM

Hi, Merriguy, I've been using Unitab. However today I'll be betting them all on NSW but only for the minimum with flexi-betting which is more or less the same principle when laying for a liability. By my calcs if I had flexi-bet yesterday the profit would have been higher percentage-wise.

Today's selections:

Caulfield
5/1
7/8

Dombeen
3/14
5/5, 7, 9
6/9, 11, 12
9/10

Morphetville
5/12
6/10, 11
8/4

Kembla
2/10
8/11

Casino
5/7, 9, 11
6/11
7/8, 9

Kyneton
2/5
3/4, 7, 10
5/3, 12

Gold Coast
2/15
4/10
8/3, 13

Toowoomba
4/13
6/2, 11, 12
7/10
8/10

Ascot
4/3
5/9
8/8

michaelg 2nd February 2013 05:17 PM

Correction - Kembla 8/11 is not a selection because it's got 97 Unitab points.

michaelg 2nd February 2013 09:24 PM

Not a bad day. From the 38 selections there were 38 smiles for a profit of $332.51.

I didn't have a bet on the quinellas, but from a quick check I think I would've lost. When I get time I will check.

UselessBettor 3rd February 2013 09:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelg
Not a bad day. From the 38 selections there were 38 smiles for a profit of $332.51.

I didn't have a bet on the quinellas, but from a quick check I think I would've lost. When I get time I will check.

Michaelg, just be careful with exotics. They are worthwhile in the bigger meetings but for those country meetings you can seriously affect you odds.

For example Kembla Range 2
The Quinalla had 3883 cash in the pool. Assuming it paid out 85% that will be $3300. It paid out $74.20 That means there were approx 45 winners.
You become winner 46. That drops the odds to $71.70

Thats only if you bet $1 on it. If you bet $10 on it then the odds would drop to $60. this stops you scaling it up with more money. And it might even be enough at minimum stakes to drop too many odds and result in a loss.

michaelg 3rd February 2013 12:05 PM

Thanks, U.B.

I've seldom been interested in quinellas and always assumed Saturday meetings held worthwhile pools so I was surprised when you mentioned Kembla R2. So it's something for me to consider especially if I bet early, however if I do bet I expect to flexi-bet for the minimum of $0.50.

I've done a little research on the quinella system. Boxing races where there are three or more selections that are eliminated because of the Lay D.S. outsiders, doesn't seem too painful. I have checked the results from Sat 19 Jan and there have been 39 of these races. A dollar outlay was $1,396 and the return on Unitab was $1,760.

And only looking at those races where there have been a maximum of 10 quinella selections there was a total outlay of $1,095 for a return of $1,635 which is a POT of better than 50%. I might start flexi-betting these race today for $0.50.

Today's lay selections:

Sapphire Coast
1/3, 6, 9, 13, 14
4/9, 12
6/11, 12
8/16

Sun Coast
4/7, 13
5/5
6/3, 4
7/7
8/19
10/17, 20

Mudgee
2/6, 7
3/8, 13
5/4, 6, 13
6/9

Sale
3/4
6/9
7/15
8/14, 15

Terang
2/10
3/14
5/9

Penola
3/5, 7, 10
4/1, 4, 6, 8, 9
6/9
7/12

Hobart
3/10, 14
7/9
8/5, 6
9/10

michaelg 3rd February 2013 05:58 PM

A good day. From the 50 selections there were 50 smiles for a profit of $428.18.

UselessBettor 3rd February 2013 06:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelg
A good day. From the 50 selections there were 50 smiles for a profit of $428.18.
amazing yet again.

michaelg 3rd February 2013 07:17 PM

Yes, another amazing profit which I think might unfortunately be making me too confident and expecting the method to be profitable every day. One or two losses will quickly fix that.

After tomorrow's races it will be the end of two weeks of laying for $333 liabilities and I will then give an update.

TheSchmile 3rd February 2013 09:51 PM

Bravo Michaelg!! :)

michaelg 4th February 2013 11:21 AM

Thanks, TS.

Today's selections:

Benalla
2/1
4/2
8/6, 13

Cessnock
1/12
3/17
5/11, 12

SpeedyBen 4th February 2013 02:27 PM

Well done, Michael.
This method seems to have legs.

UselessBettor 4th February 2013 05:23 PM

Another good day.

michaelg 4th February 2013 05:31 PM

Thanks, SB.

Today's eight selections were beaten for a profit of $44.16.

After two weeks there have been 337 smiles from 340 selections for a profit of $2,073.

stugots 4th February 2013 06:04 PM

Nice work if you can get it;)


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