Quinella Plan
 

Here is a plan that works well if one is good at deleting one in 4 horses which wont perform accordingly (thats the hard bit).

Target Horse , Dog or Trots races with 7-10 runners only.
TAB Nos. 1-8 only.

We look at Nos. 1,2,7,8 , now delete one of them using one`s own massive brain power , if one is scratched , the work is done for you.
If 2 of these Nos. are Scr , then its a no bet race.

Now look at Nos.3,4,5,6
Do the same thing as above.
You bet the 3 selections into the other 3 selections
E.g. 1,2,8 into 3,4,5 = $9 O/L

One will find a lot of these sequence Nos. actually produce a lot of winning Quinellas , some at larger than expected prices.

If one feels that they are hopeless at deleting the 2 runners required , then delete just one of the 8 contenders .
E.g. 1,2,8 into 3,4,5,6 = $12 O/L

One will find that it is not cost effective to bet 4X4 runners =$16.00
E.g. 1278 into 3456 this is not recomended because most quinellas pay around the $15.00 & less mark with this No. of runners.

We do not replaced Scr runners with others down the list.

OR
One could delete 2 of the 4 Nos. & keep all 4 of the 2nd group of 4
E.g. 2 into 4 =$8


Have a look at some of the past divs.
You will be suprised how large some of them are.

The frustrating bit, is how often the box headed no hoper , that you deleted, gets up to beat your brilliant inform selection and the quinella ends up paying a Motza. I can see a number of punters crying now because its going to happen.
Maybe some members would like to share some observations on ways to delete the 2 runners.

Cheers.

easy, delete the shorter priced runner(s), will miss out on a few collects, but be rewarded when the roughies get up.

I would have gone the other way davez, delete the longer priced runners for more consistent strike rate.
Two sides - one coin

you could eliminate the 1 or 2 that have the worst 1st & 2nd [combined ]percentage.

What a load of crap.
If one can delete this,delete that,come on,I'm still head banging,and my headache is getting worse reading this drivel.

Might I ask the guru if we are actually playing quinellas or lotto??Numbers 1/2/7/8??If one is good at deleting????Horses,dogs or trots???Numbers 1/2/8 are always favoured at the dishlickers,as are 1/2/3/4 at the red hots.What is the logic behind your reasoning?And as you say it works so well,can you show me some past results to vindicate that?I think you are just sucking the masses in.Read in an old p[ost of yours that you operate some 100+systems everyday.Says it all.Hope you find the Holy Grail some day.

drivel,drivel,drivel

I'm with the Angel on this one. I reckon take the all the horses, delete all but the two you reckon will come first and second and bet on them two, or else go to the newsagent and get a quickpick.

KV

KV & Angel

I think Bhagwan was just trying to make a system suggestion, he wasn't telling people to use it or he's not making any money off it so why all the harsh criticism? It's up to the people that read it to make their own mind up.

To you angel, all you seem to do on this site is bad mouth people and try and start arguments. If you think your so good then why dont you put some ideas into the forum yourself, or are you afraid that people might steal them and become millionaires? Better yet why dont you put in some tips for tomorrow's races that should give us a laugh.

angel
 

Totally agree with bigwaz,
angel junior you have been in this forum five minutes and yet your are mouthing off as an expert .It shows your immaturity. As far as Bhagwan is concerned you are not good enough to wash his feet, let alone criticise his knowledge in racing industry, you are no help at all. Shut up and go where you come from. Obviously you are not interested in contributing and helping those that need help.
Go walkabout the race field you will get to know what the horses can do,
if you are smart enough,I doubt that very much the way you behave.

Baco60&bigwaz&jamcool
I gladly accept your challenge.
You guys pick 2 races in each state.
$50 per race.
I will bet quinellas only.
You do the same.
Thats $400(this Saturday)bank.
Bet you aint got the balls to take it on.
As for me being angel junior,I am angel 416 original.
As that user name I had over 1000 posts,and you have 56 and are telling me I have been here 5 minutes??Get a grip.
As for input????Go thru the archives.Check my topweight system.
Take up the challenge,if you have the guts.
If you wish to do it,post your desired races by Friday,and your selections and outlay by midday Saturday.
Dont really expect to hear a reply.
As for wanting to start conflict,if you cant stand constructive critisiscm you should be on another forum.
Anyway,if you have the balls to take up the challenge,and any of you finish in front of me I will leave this forum forever.
Look forward to your replies,though doubt I will get any,except cop outs like "I wont waste my time etc."

I'll take up that challenge....may the best man win.

angel
 

angle you are not good enough to clean the stable let alone challenge some one to compete with you.
Why don’t you grow up? It costs nothing to be civil.

. Why don’t you try it! Good for you.

I have a reply for ya' right here ya' knob

If it will make you feel BIG and IMPORTANT to beat a learner such as myself then count me in.

Jamcool & Bigwaz
Good onya for accepting the "Challenge".
Baco60,you are a wimp and a copout.
Butt out,or put your money where your mouth is.
Jam & Big.please post your preferred races,2 in each state,NSW,QLD,MLB &PERTH by 6pm Friday.
$50 per race per state.
Box,banker,whatever you choose as long you dont exceed the limit per race.
Let the games begin.

iamcool,
sorry I have been calling you Jamcool.My mistake.I am not trying to be big & important.Baco,you are an absolute DILL!!!Not fit to wash someones feet????Not fit to clean the stables????No input???Where is your input?No balls,as I suspected.

Just so there are no arguments later

What is the limit per race that you speak of - $50?

This is inclusive of any/all boxing, standouts etc

Might use one of Bhagwans techniques - you know, the drivel that the Guru produces.

Thankyou for responces Angel 417.
You seem to like being mischievous , thats different to the Angels I was brought up to beleive in.

Although...there was another Angel that comes to mind.
He was known as Angel 666.
You all may know of him by different names...
aka Number of the Beast , aka Beelzebub ,aka Prince of Mischief , aka The Fallen One , aka Prince of Darkness.

I might be jumping to conclusions here ...But! I notice that when the digits 417 are added this comes to 12 divided by 2 representing the 2nd half of the name = 6
The 417 is 3 digits long when applied to 6 makes it 666.
He also said he was the "original one".

Quick ! Run!
Dont turn back.
I`m sorry Mr. Devil.

I better stop , I think I just frightened myself.

Here are some results using this idea.
There was only one qualifying race today Musswellbrook Mon 18th July
Won paying $19.00 O/L $9.00

Stalwell trots race 5 2&3 Div $308.00 O/L $9.00
Bankstown trots race 6 1&4 div $59.70 O/L $9.00

Baghwan
contrary to popular belief by your good self & your "disciples" I WAS NOT personally attacking you.I was merely questioning your methods re:quinella betting,which is an area I have studied for years.If I have "ruffled your feathers"or offended you,then I profoundly apologise.
The method you suggest is fraught with danger,because you are leaving out too many combos that can and will get up to bite you.And can you please post the qualifying races and selections BEFORE the race,not retrofit them later.Note my post and following results last Saturday,before the races.
Also,I personally do not bet during the week,so results there are of no matter to me.
I totally agree with one of your "disciples",there are oyher areas in this racing game where your expertise and/or knowledge would far and away outweigh mine,that is not a bone of contention.Quinellas are.I have read hundreds of your posts,and the common denominator that I find is that you are more of a numbers man than a form student.How glaringly evident was that with your very "clever"manipulation of my user name??I was NOT insulting your intelligence,for I believe you to be a very smart man.
Prince of Darkness,I like that,it's got a certain "ring" to it.
After 9 years in the Army and 2 tours of Vietnam,I DO LIVE IN DARKNESS!
It is my chosen place.
And please,I am NOT looking for sympathy,so dont you or any of your disciples afford me any,just be honest and call it as you see it.
Just dont back any horses with "HEAVENLY" names,cause I will pull them up.
E.G.
Few weeks back,
Just Ordained
Ridden by K.POPE
Loomed up to win,until I stopped it!!
Also beware of your disciples,there is a JUDAS" amongst them.
The one who thinks he's "cool" is my odds on fav.
Also on the subject of the "cool"one,as he is a self confessed "learner"could you,as the "chosen one",have one "last supper" with him.break some bread,share some wine,AND PLEASE,give him a copy of your "PUNTING BIBLE".

And please,if you choose to respond to this post,remove your crucifix,it's blurring my vision and burning my skin.

On the subject of deleting runners:
As your method suggest 8 runners then deleting 2,I would suggest this,digest it or dismiss it,up to you.
8 runners equals 28 possible combinations,far to many to be profitable.
What one needs to do,instead of deleting 2 of the runners(how many times will 1 of your deleted runners get up and roll you?)is to examine ALL 28 combos,and delete ANY combo with a COMMON WEAKNESS.
I.E.
Both runners 1st up
Both runners untried at the distance
Both runners going up or coming back in distance(more than 400 mtrs)
Both runners poor s/r win or place
Both runners poor trainer/jockey
Both runners poorly drawn
Both runners not won or placed at the track/distance
You will find this will weed out poor winning combos.
Whilst it is possible that 1 of them can place with 1 of those weaknesses,it is unlikely THAT BOTH WILL.
Therefore,you are eliminating poor combos and reducing your outlay without eliminating any of your 8 runners.
Maybe you will find that suggestion sensible maybe not,but it works for me.

To the "disciples"
The challenge is off,I just can't be bothered any more.

Firstly, I ain't no-one's disciple - Like you, I love myself too much. I doubt if i have ever corresponded with the contributor in question, either in this forum or by any other means.

Secondly, would "i can't be bothered anymore" be considered a cop out?

Lastly, I wouldn't be getting upset over a few harsh words spoken between relative strangers on an internet forum - could it be that you're scared. After all your huffing and puffing it seems you are the one that is a bit lacking in the 'departamento de testicales'

Perhaps, as your last post would suggest, we have damaged your delicate little ego with a bit of criticism. Pathetic really, I expected better.

for ********s sake

im off

hello & goodbye

Mr.or Mrs? cool,
For a self proclaimed learner you sure do a lot of running off at the mouth.
Why dont you try putting the brain into gear before engaging the mouth.
I do not have an inflated ego,which is more than I can say for you.
I'm scared of you?Take your hand off it,it'll fall off when it's ripe.
You dont know what real fear is.
You keep spruiking that you came on here to learn,but you dont listen to any advice,you are just content to ******** stir.
I do not have any desire to feel superior to anyone.
And I do not big note myself in areas that I know nothing about,unlike you.
You would follow Baghwan blindly into the fires of hell,so we'll probably meet one day.Now THAT is scary!!
You keep saying that you are on here to learn,yet as Kenchar so rightly pointed out,you could not even grasp or accept a simple explanation of not coupling 1&2 re Baghwans post.Even after the man explained(vindicating that I was right and you were wrong).
Every religion,unbeknowns to you obviously,teaches one to "love thyself'because if you DONT,you are not capable of loving someone else.
And also,you dont even have a sense of humour,as you are attacking me again after my apology to Baghwan and attempt at a humorous reply to his play on numbers.
You even went back thru the archives to dig up something to attack Kenchar with,something thru your own admission you know nothing about.
I KNEW that you would say I was copping out,cause thats your style,you like to dominate and intimidate others,but it aint working with me and thats getting up your nose.
I dont need to feel big and important,I just like to feel,an area you should consider looking at.
If you actually read some of my posts re quinellas,you might ,just might,learn something.
As for "copping out",well I only cancelled the challenge because YOU are already making feeble excuses about ME wanting to feel big and important by beating a learner like you.
We have a fish in the river system up north here,its called"mouth almighty"and its an obnoxious pest.Ring any bells???
I am sick of you.
So lets reignite the challenge.
With these provisos.
Delete the other contenders.Let's just make it me and you.
(as your tiny little mind will read another copout into that,I will challenge the others after I kick your smartarse).
As you could not grasp the rules last time,here they are again:
You pick 2 races in each of the mainland states
Quinella betting ONLY
$50 per race
8 races
total outlay $400
Winner is the one who makes the highest profit overall
That is being more than fair to you,as if you jag 1 big one YOU can kick my ********.
I can feel your gonads constricting now,as you are one out,and your balls are much bigger when you have backup.
Post your selected races by 6pm Friday.
More than fair again,as YOU can study which races YOU think you can pull a motza in.
Also,the loser departs this forum.
Are you up for it???
I await your reply.

I've had enough of this crap! Angel your really starting to get on my nerves. First you put up a challenge, then you back out, then you want to do the challenge again but change the rules. You started this ******** so don't wiggle your way out now.

These are the rules and if iamcool agrees with it then majority wins and you have to do it.

* This saturday only
* Selections must be in before 12 noon saturday
* $500 bank
* "ANY" betting method allowed
* Prices will be UNITAB
* Biggest profit wins
* Nobody will be kicked out of the forum (thats just plain stupid angel)
If you think Quinellas are the be all and end all then prove us wrong but in the mean time keep your f##ked up opinions to yourself.

The original rules stand as far as I am concerned.This thread is about QUINELLA betting only,and THAT was my challenge.YOU changed the rules to any betting and changed the stake to $500.The ONLY thing I changed was to make it a 1 on 1.If you want "any" betting,there are tipping comps in other threads.I am ONLY interested in a quinella challenge.
The only thing I agree with you on is unitab divvies.I dont care about majority,and I dont HAVE TO DO anything.If you read the original rules it said quinella betting only.That is all I am interested in,take it or leave it.I am not "wriggling out" of anything.

You also said that whoever loses is out of the forum. That's crazy, sure iamcool is going to accept that. This argument was not about quinellas it was about your arrogance.........can someone please block this thread before i pull all my hair out.

Is that it?

Got any other opinions you would like to share?

War in Iraq, G8 or how's about the Live Aid goal of beating poverty.

You are a pyscho - Plain and simple basket case.

We are all very impressed with your contributions to the forum and punting prowess re: quinellas - congrats.

You are also very good at dishing out insults to all and sundry. Not so happy when the shoe is on the other foot though.

As for your ridiculous quinella suggestion - I'm tempted...

i'm loving this thread just listening to it.

No offence intended angel. If you are indeed the angel of old, as bagwhan said - you are not the angel i remember :):D

Enough of the pleasantries & polite chit chat chaps,
"theres a puntin to be done."

Angels suggestion of the Quinella separation is a sound one & has been recomended in several books on the subject.

If one is still hopeless at doing the form to weed out the weaklings , try using the TABQ Wt.ratings , one could assume the form has been done for us within that form figure.
It cant be much worse than ones own assesments on an ongoing consistant basis if one feels they wont be consistant enough.

Lets have a look at the first race only, of every meeting for Tues 19th.
Horses, Dogs,Trots.
Using the Wt. ratings (100ptrs ect.)to delete the weakest runner of each group of 4

There were 7 wins from 13 qualifying races =54% SR
Race 1 only. Betting 3 into 3 @ $9.00 per race

Taree Races-- 9.90
Kill-----X
AP Trots-No Bet race, didnt qualify under the rules.
HP-----X
Bend---X
Bun----10.40
GC Dogs-44.40
Gosf-----12.90
Ips------23.70
Lis------39.50
Warr-----X
Gaw-----X
Horsh----17.30
Dev------X

Ret 158.10
O/L 117.00 @ $9.00 a race
Prof +41.10 = 35% POT

Strike rate 54%

Cheers.

$234 Quinella
Cannington Greys R3 Sat 23rd July
6 & 2

3X3
Using the TABQ Wt. Ratings to delete the weakest runner of each group of 4
O/L $9
Plus a bunch of other good payers.

Bhagwan - How do you get $9
 

Hi Bhagwan,

How do you get $9 for a six horse quinella, I thought it was $15.

As per original thread , it clearly states .
e.g. 127/346
3x3=9

We are not boxing them
e.g. 6x5 : 2= 15

$220.80 Quinella struck
Ballarat Trots 6th Aug.
R4 /6&1

Hello,
If the first selections are 1278 how do get the quin. when 3456 runs first?
If not boxing surely the first nos are on the top line---what am I missing?
Would appreciate no throat jumping please.
Cheers

If one reads the rule at the beginning of this thread it clearly states that one deletes the weakest runner of each group of 4 so that one ends up with 3 in each group.

e.g. TAB Nos. 127/346. O/L 3x3=9
OR
1278/34 O/L4X2=8

The idea is to end up with 6 runners out of the 1-8 TAB Nos
and sector them off out of the original sequence Nos. 1278/3456 (now delete one No. from each sector of 4 so that you end up with 3x3

Funny how easy it is to find big winners after the race has been run!
I'm sure you can now afford to buy yourself a big fat cigar and suck on it.

Oh my god!
Just as it was getting interesting.

Oh joy!
It's on again.
It felt like reading a mystery novel or a whodunnit and some ************ ripped out the last page!
Let the games begin!