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ALINGHI
I just heard that alinghi was almost killed on the weekend in america when it burst through a barricade and ran across a 4 lane highway.
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G'day,
4tab radio this morning said it is racing thursday morning our time. Talking to owner and trainer tomorrow morning on same. cheers |
The race she was entered in was scrapped, they were all scared of her and there wasn't enough acceptances. She is now due to run towards the end of the month. Frankel also stated that the reports Alinghi had gotten loose were entirely false.
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As much as i never liked her i am glad she is in the US to show them what a good Aussie horse can do.......no offence to any yanks on here but i visit a couple of other US sites and for some reason they think they have the best horses in the world......if i had the cash i would take a good aussie trainer over there with a few horse to prove they are not the only ones that have champions
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i was hooked on Alinghi after her Blue Diamond win.....a great horse
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heard she was starting first up in a 1800m race ? ridiculous ..
don't be surprised to see her race over a shorter distance on dirt in the next couple of weeks.. |
yeah, and 1700m Grade 3 is what i heard...still wrong because she is best at 1200-1600m
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I loved the horse, backed her @ her first start and never jumped off. Biggest wins on her was a all up Special Harmony $1.35 into Lonhro $1.70 into Alinghi $2.35 on diamond day, all looked absolute morals and ended up paying over $5. And had a huge go in the Newmarket. Don't know how anyone couldn't like her she was just so good, i wish i could get over to the States to back the **************** out of her first-up, against anyone, any surface, over any distance.
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should be able to bet on her here Mr ed ,,i'm sure IAS will give a market..
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I hope so, thought there were laws against using their races however, thats why i thought Betfair wouldn't operate on their races. Even if they did frame a market for Australia, what odds are going to be available for her, no-ones gunna wanna back the yank's donkeys against our superstar. I know a few people on here would if they were value, but as a whole; no halfway decent odds could be attainable for Alinghi with an Australian firm holding the bets IMO.
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well the time has finally come!
Alinghi to run tonight (early tomorrow morning). Does anyone know if we will be able to watch live? |
Don't know about TV, but 2KY's going to broadcast it live and I assume other stations may possibly do something similar.
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ALINGHI post time is 4:47 p.m. EDT. It seems like 14 hrs ahead is the standard for most of the post times in Australia compared to US. For instance, most of your racing cards start at 10 P.M. EDT here the night before your early afternoon. So I guess depending where you are it will be early morning for you Tuesday. I'm looking at the Daily RAcing Form for the race right now and will give everyone my UNBIASED Yank opinion.
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Oh by the way, rain is supposedly on it's way so the turf may be good to soft. I know one thing, New Orleans is about to get demolished by Hurricane Katrina in about 4 hours. The whole city of 4 million was told to evacuate and they are using the Superdome football stadium as a shelter for anyone unable to get out. Really bad stuff in a city that's highest point is one foot above sea level.
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was there a couple of months ago ..the highlight of my trip to the states .. its hard to imagine what they are going though..
Been watching the coverage on cable here...and it looks real bad .. thoughts and prayers for all concerned :( |
Mr Ed, et al, Betfair bet on US races every day, and it's mainly UK money, so Alinghi won't mean a thing to them.
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ALINGHI looks all the class in this race with only a couple of others racing well consistently at the Graded Levels. Ironically, this turf race looks full of speed with at over half the field wantig the lead or just off it and from the way our form reads, Alinghi looks to show early speed and have Edgar Prado postion her just behind the first pack of speedsters. The others trying this tactic should be
#6 Stupendous Miss (trained by Wallace Dollase 6-1-1-1 at Sar 2005 w/ Gary Stevens up) #11 Snowdrops (Cristophe Clemente 16-4-2-1 Sar 2005 w/ Jerry Bailey up after opting off #7 Delta Princess trained by his main emplyer Bill Mott) #12 Que Puntual (Angel Penna,Jr. 10-1-3-1 Sar 2005 w/ Cornelio Velasquez) and of course #10 Alinghi (Bobby Frankel (33-6-7-4 Sar 2005 w/ Prado 20% wins Sar 2005) Behind these should be #3 Spring Season (Johnathon Sheppard 21-1-2-3 SAr2005 w/ Ramon Dominguez-great turf rider from my neck of the woods giving it a go at the best meet in the United States, Sheppard also stables at Delaware Park and is known for his turf and steeplechase expertise although he has tailed off as late) #7 Delta Princess (Mott 54-8-13-8 Sar2005 w/ Robbie Albarado) #8 Cloak of Vagueness (Phil Hauswald (7-1-0-0 Sar 2005 w/ Eibar Coa another Del Park rider up) #9 Risakverse (PJ Kelly 27-3-1-2 Sar 2005 after winning 2 races on Sat. w/Jose Santos up) all trying to make one late run on the top two flights. If the turf comes up soft to good as it might, it may stop the horses up front and favor the closers. Frankel says Alinghi will be closing at this distance and that she was a bleeder in Australia, so the lasix should help her get this distance. Personally, I feel that the distance may be too much for Alinghi (1 1/16 miles) and that she will make a big run, but fall short in this one due to so many factors working against her including the bad post position, the first race in North America and in 5 months, and the different type of racing than she is used to. She certainly is the class of this field but I fell that her connections have MUCH bigger goals than the Ballston Spa on a Monday afternoon at Saratoga. She may be in for a good tune up for the fall Breeder Cup preps and the F+M turf at 1 3/8 M. She would be no surprise however if she won. I will play #8 cloak of VAugeness and # 9 Riskaverse (who one time was a classy graded performer and may be getting back to her old self, Not to mention she likes the Saratoga course and PJ Kelly is on a small roll) followed by #10 Alinghi, #3 Spring Season, and #12 Que Puntual. 8-9-10,3,12 Good Luck mates down under and no matter what happens here, there is a whole lot more racing ahead for Alinghi. |
Lets hope the Lasix can have the same affect on Alinghi that it had on Keep The Faith.
I just hope Alinghi isn't ridden for speed. US turf races are run at a much stonger clip than here. But what she does have is a world-class sprint. I'd ride her cold, just get in behind them before the clubhouse turn & stoke her up from the 600m. Its her only hope first-up over that distance. |
THIs whole distance question made me think of something. Why doesn't the Breeder's Cup have a turf sprint at 6 furlongs or so! Not the mile (which may be what Frankel is really pointing Alinghi for instead of F+M Turf at 1 3/8 m.), but an honest to goodness rip and roar turf sprint for turf horses lackin stamina. Or if they don't like that idea, how about the Breeder's Cup Claiming Plate for cheapies to show how souped up these tracks are for big days over here. When these claimers come home in 1:08.3 for 6 f, we'll all know how good the rest of the times are! LOL!
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A couple of weird twists for today's race that only a superstitious horse player could think of. My dog is an Australian Shepherd (Kerry- named after Co. Kerry, Ireland), Bobby Frankel is huge animal lover who has two Aussies himself, Bobby trains Alinghi (from Oz), #3 Spring Season's dam is ALICE SPRINGS(Val de L'Orne FR) and trained by Englishman Johnathon Shepherd, #8 CLoak of Vagueness is sired by El Prado*Ire and was last ridden by E. Prado who now rides Alinghi. If you throw in the whole historical England shipping out unwanted Irish to Australia you have the easy trifecta. Alinghi, Cloak, and Spring Season. It's that easy, but don't leave out that hard-knocking Riskaverse who has no connection at all but may be ready to go if her slight ankle injury is healed up.
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ALINGHI is 1-1 with 3 minutes to post. No one else is under 9-1. I won't put the results on here so you can see it or listen to it yourself. They're in the gate!
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SS,
I have to say that your racecallers over there don't even come close to ours. |
Tom Durkin is a bit of an ass. You can certainly tell who he has. He loves Jerry Bailey. Check out Trevor Denman in California (Del Mar)("And away they go"). He's very clear and calls an exciting race, putting some color in it. He's South African I think. Did they broadcast the call from Saratoga or was it just somebody on TV??? I wondered how you guys would rate the race call. Dave Johnson is another announcer who has an overdone catch phrase (and down the stretch they come). Alright in a big stretch duel amongst good horses, but in a cheap maiden claimer, it gets old.
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Alinghi far too good.
The bloke from Bay Meadows is entertaining. "And theeeeeeeeeeeere they goooooooooo". |
FA!!!! Contiinental Reins just won the 9th at Saratoga and I tapped out early today. Been waiting for him (or it-gelding) to run back since late July. Hope he doesn't pay much. Bunch of seconds got me earlier. Doesn't matter what hemisphere your in, it's always the same! And the horse the finished second is trained by ANgel Penna.
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He wasn't too entertaining yesterday when he was beating me in every race!! LOL!
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hehehe, he's got the day off today.
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So did Alinghi win?
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Not sure who the caller was, but he just didn't seem to put any excitement into it at all. And how many were in the race, because he only called the first 3 or 4 over the line, another thing that we just couldn't get used to over here.
A good win by Alinghi. At least I think it was a good win. A bit hard to tell from the lack of excitement in the call. What did you think, SS? |
Kiwi's have the most excitable callers followed by the Aussie's if i had to listen to Yankee callers all day it would be enough to make me give up the punt
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I thought it was a very good win.
First up over 1700m, came from about 8 lengths off the fast pace, took the lead on the turn, (seemed to be a short staight), won untouched by about a length and a half. |
I couldn't agree more there Shaun don't know who that Kiwi caller is but he is going to have a heart attack with the effort he puts into it one day. Also agree with everyone on the US race callers they just do not seem to be able to get very excited about the race, IMO the race caller makes the races I am pretty happy with what we have here in Australia but I couldn't stand listening to the US Callers for more than a couple of races.
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How come the yanks are so much more advanced than the rest of the world (maybe bar asia) when it comes to technial stuff like camera work etc. I think i just witnessed the worst race i have ever seen from a spectators point of view. For the whole first half of the race they never showed alinghi who was in 6th place, let alone any other horse who was behind her (i still cant work out how many ran the actual race).
Could you imagine having a bet on a horse you liked and it finishes 4th or 5th but cause it is a backmarker you actually never see it in the race and it never gets called cause the caller calls positions 1st, 2nd and 3rd plus the favourite. I would end up having to check that it actually jumped out of the barriers to know that my horse went round the track. I am not sure what the audience is like in america or what there $$ are like in the industry, but i dare say a good aussie race caller could definately make a good pay packet and get the crowd right involved like they do downhere. |
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Mark, that guy gets on my nerves :p But the most annoying caller over there is the guy that does the Fort Erie meetings with his "Uurrrrr they're oofffff". ************ annoying when you have to watch the start maybe 5 to 10 times a race. |
Saratoga - August 29th, 2005 - Race 8
Race name: Ballston Spa Breeders' Cup H. Grade: 3 Stakes - For Thoroughbred Three Year Old and Upward Fillies and Mares One And One Sixteenth Miles On The Turf Purse: $200,000 Includes: $100,000 ( Breeders Cup ) Available Money: $216,300 Value of Race: $135,966 1st $69,780, 2nd $23,260, 3rd $21,630, 4th $10,815, 5th $6,489, 6th $723, 7th $723, 8th $723, 9th $723, 10th $389, 11th $711 Reverts: $80,334 Weather: Cloudy Track: Good Off at: 4:48 Start: Good for all Pgm HorseName (Jockey) Wgt M/E PP SP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Fin Odds 10 Alinghi (AUS) (Prado, E.S.) 119 L 9 8 6-3 6-3 5-1/2 3-1/2 1-1 1/4 0.90* 12 Que Puntual (ARG) (Velasquez, C.H.) 118 L 11 9 4-3 4-2 1/2 3-2 1/2 1-1/2 2-Neck 6.70 7 Delta Princess (Albarado, R.) 118 L 6 5 7-Head 8-1 6-Head 6-Head 3-Neck 11.10 4 Finery (Castellano, J.) 116 L 3 4 5-5 1/2 5-4 1/2 4-1/2 4-1/2 4-1 1/2 24.75 3 Spring Season (Dominguez, R.A.) 115 L 2 2 8-1/2 7-1/2 10-2 7-Head 5-1 3/4 30.00 8 Cloakof Vagueness (Coa, E.) 115 L f 7 11 11 10-2 8-Head 8-2 1/2 6-Nose 14.50 1 La Reina (Velazquez, J.R.) 114 L 1 3 3-2 1/2 2-Head 2-1 2-Head 7-1 11.50 9 Riskaverse (Santos, J.A.) 118 L f 8 7 10-Head 11 11 10-8 8-3/4 16.60 11 Snowdrops (GB) (Bailey, J.D.) 116 L 10 10 9-2 9-Head 9-1/2 9-1 9-3 1/4 17.60 5 Lentil (Chavez, J.F.) 115 L b 4 1 1-2 1/2 1-1 1/2 1-1/2 5-1/2 10-7 1/2 42.50 6 Stupendous Miss (Migliore, R.) 115 L 5 6 2-Head 3-2 7-1 1/2 11 11 9.90 Fractional Times: 22.78, 45.88, 1:10.05, 1:34.14, 1:40.30 Winner: Alinghi (AUS) - Dark Bay or Brown Filly, August 20, 2001 Bred by Piney Ridge Pty Ltd in AUS Pedigree: Encosta de Lago - Oceanfast (AUS) , by Monde Bleu (GB) Scratched Horses: Aesculus, Provincial, Capeside Lady, Ender's Sister, Path of Thunder Pgm Horse Win Place Show Total WPS Pool: $543,015 10 Alinghi (AUS) 3.80 3.00 2.80 12 Que Puntual (ARG) 5.10 4.10 7 Delta Princess 4.70 Wager Type Winning Numbers Payoff Pool Carryover $2 Exacta 10-12 23.80 468,995 $2 Superfecta 10-12-7-4 1,316.00 124,598 $2 Trifecta 10-12-7 120.00 309,902 Pgm Comment 10 Alinghi (AUS): unhurried early, advanced inside, 4 wide move, drew clear late 12 Que Puntual (ARG): in hand inside, split rivals, 3 wide move, dug in gamely stretch 7 Delta Princess: outrun early, 4 wide move second turn, game finish outside 4 Finery: rated along inside, saved ground, inside move, game finish 3 Spring Season: rated along inside, inside move second turn, stayed on well 8 Cloakof Vagueness: outrun early, inside trip, no rally 1 La Reina: close up inside, chased pace, middle move, tired stretch 9 Riskaverse: outrun early, swung widest for drive, no rally 11 Snowdrops (GB): outrun early, 3 wide trip, no response when roused 5 Lentil: hustled clear, set strong pace, tired stretch 6 Stupendous Miss: speed 3 wide, chased pace, tired after three quarters Footnotes ALINGHI (AUS) was unhurried early on, advanced inside into the stretch turn, rallied four wide approaching the stretch, ran by the leaders leaving the eighth pole and drew clear under a drive. QUE PUNTUAL (ARG) raced in hand along the inside early, split rivals on the second turn, rallied three wide into the stretch, reached the front in upper stretch and dug in gamely but could not contain the winner. DELTA PRINCESS was outrun early, rallied four wide on the second turn and finished gamely outside. FINERY was rated along inside, saved ground, rallied inside into the stretch and finished gamely. SPRING SEASON was rated along early, advanced inside on the second turn and stayed on well to the finish. CLOAKOF VAGUENESS was outrun early, raced inside and lacked a rally. LA REINA raced close up inside, chased the pace, put in a run on the second turn and tired in the stretch. RISKAVERSE was outrun early, swung widest into the stretch and had no rally. SNOWDROPS (GB) was outrun early, raced three wide and had no response when roused. LENTIL was hustled out to a clear lead,set a strong pace and tired in the stretch. STUPENDOUS MISS chased the pace while three wide and tired after three quarters. |
Brave Chief, yeah he used to annoy me, but after listening to the others he now makes me laugh. I reckon the worst is the guy who calls Calder & Turf Paradise. Every race is the same slow drawl, "and they're off............................................... ..for the lead..........................................400m into the race & he's called maybe 1 or 2 runners.
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Look at those sectionals for 1700m. They dont muck about over there.
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Sportz, Alinghi was extremely impressive if your ask me. First up, sat a great trip, and was under a hand ride from what I understand. I listened to it at work on the computer and was bored as well with the call. In Durkin's defense, he is very clear in his enunciation at least but no excitement, unless he has the winner! He must have tried to beat the champ. However, Alinghi didn't face much of anybody and definitely not the best in America, let alone Europe. She may be the best of all though when it's all said and done. It is so hard to tell when you beat nothing. I guess you have to give a lot of credit to any horse that can ship half way around the world, experience two summers in a year, and win like that first up from the 10 hole, first time over the track, etc etc etc.!!!!
She definitely go the distance and while posting last night I saw she could get the mile no problem with 2 wins and a 2nd. Where is she gonna go in the Breeder's Cup?????? |
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A Qld racecaller Michael Rona went over there about 15 years or so ago and became one of the leading callers at Hollywood Park and a few other top tracks. He became famous for calling Cigar's American record breaking win and several other top races. He's also the guy who called that race in the hit show Seinfeld. You know the one when Kramer overheard the tip on the subway. He said that he was pressured a bit when he went there to only call the first 3 or 4 horses over the line and to change his style, but he didn't go along with that and always called just as he had done in Australia. He got into a bit of trouble for using some expressions because the Americans just couldn't understand them. One good one was when a jockey was on a horse that was doing it easily and he said that "he had something up his sleeve". A lot of people actually thought he must have been referring to some sort of illegal device! By the way, there was another track he went to where the punters were EXTREMELY superstitious and he got accused of putting a jinx on certain jockeys simply by mentioning how well they were going. For example, one jockey had ridden several winners on the program and was coming up to a possible record in the last race. When he mentioned that and the jockey subsequently lost, a lot of the punters blamed him for for the loss by daring to mention it! So, after that, whenever a jockey was doing extremely well, he had to refrain from even saying a thing. |
Sportz, I forgot about Rona. He was good but the thing is, every time a foreign annoncer comes over here he gets mistaken for Trevor Denman, even though it is South African, Aussie, English, Irish, etc. The majority of Americans sadly do fit the ugly American stereotype, but ya gotta give 'em what they want. Marshall Cassidy was always my favorite (Durkin replaced him on New York circuit). He had a way of delaying a split second after the start that gave you a great sense of anticipation, then called the early parts of the race slowly, gradually picking it up until he was at a frenetic pace if it was a good finish. his best calls came in EASY GOER's races, especially the Belmont Stakes. I don't know why US announcers don't call the whole field at the finish but they usually will give every horse a call at some point. Also, every country has their own lingo and it would certainly confuse anyone if they didn't understand the jargon; like FA!!!!!
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