Give us your best system rule that doesn't kill odds.
 

Ok, we're heading into the winter period of hibernation, discontent and lots of spare time on our hands. Let work out a collective system: "THE COMMUNIST SYSTEM"

Pull out your best rule that won't kill odds [none of this must have finished in the placings last start rubbish]. After we get a stack, we'll shuffle in the best for the "Communist System" by vote and sit back and count our pennies [if any].

I'll kick off: Must be a race between 1100m and 2050m.

Hey comrade crash
i'll have a go..

I like horses that were unplaced last start (5th or worse) but were right in the market, ie 8-1 or less

So many punters drop off a horse after one bad run, it usually starts at better odds next start...there the ones i look for..

Hope it helps.

Good idea this one Comrade Crash - the best rule is a 9 day or less break since LS.

Ok we almost have a system already comrades. I like both of them. Mug, your rule is a goodie but placed before the bad last run was what you meant wasn't it?

Comarade Крушение(Крах), я думаю, что я имею коммунистическую систему для Вас.
Только спросите меня приятно

hi crash
Yeah, i would like to see the horse in some form in its second last start (placed or not too far away from winner,no hard or fast rule), but if we want/need a hard n fast rule then yes places second last start..

And since it was well favoured in the market last start, it hopefully just had a bad ounce of luck, or 3 wide,etc ...

and agree with duritz's call that it backs up within the next fortnight..

cheers

G'day Crash,

Age of horse to 4 and having no more than 15 starts. Young and fit mate and not had the guts flogged out of it.

Cheers

Baco60 Privet!
K sazaleniu, umena net kirillici.
But if you really want to give us your kommunist system then I will ask you, Pretty please? will you?
Good luck

Well done Lomaca your Russian is good.

Must have a win in exposed form i.e. last 4 runs

We are off to a good start and we can obviously add in no 2yr. olds because we need some exposed form to work with from all runners.


So we have so far:

.........THE COMMUNIST SYSTEM................

Must be a race between 1100m and 2050m.
Unplaced last start (5th or worse) and 8-1 SP or less
9 day or less break since LS.
Age of horse 3 to 4 and having no more than 15 starts
Must have a win in exposed form i.e. last 4 runs
Must have 2 or more runs in from a spell?

I have added in the last rule or Party's rule cannot work.
Do we need some more defining rules or do we have a system? Race class? Place SR ? A similar distance rule since last start? Must not be dropping more than 1kg?

must have 50% or greater place stike rate at todays distance

maybe also must be the only runner in the field starting within the last 9 days?

Not going up in distance by 200mtrs or down in distance by 100mtrs


Bobby

Crash you don't want many more rules - under the rules as they currently are there'll already be very few bets...

I agree Duritz, too many rules will kill the odds.

.........THE COMMUNIST SYSTEM................

1.Must be a race between 1100m and 2050m.
2.Unplaced last start (5th or worse) and $8SP or less last start.
3.9 day or less break since LS.
4.Age of horse 3 to 4 and having no more than 15 starts
5.Must have a win in exposed form i.e. last 4 runs
6.Must have 2 or more runs in from a spell.
7.No more than 200mtrs up or 100mtrs down in distance.
8.Weight must not be going up or down more than 2kg. [ignore claims].

I think we need the last rule to avoid country horses contesting out of their class too far and city has-beens dropping down in class too far [they both usually lose].

'must have 50% or greater place strike rate at todays distance'
We'll leave out as it's a bit too defining and will certainly affect odds too much on country tracks. A good rule for Sat. metro but trying to keep this as an any-day system. If at all perhaps an overall %SR without a distance clause[?]

OK comrades, unless their are serious dissenters [we are watching you!], we'll give this a bit of a flog and see how it goes. We might win enough roubles to buy our freedom !!

Sunday 9th. of April.

* I have relaxed a couple of rules just slightly as it was turning out to be all looking and no qualifiers !

.......THE COMMUNIST SYSTEM...............

1.Must be a race between 1100m and 2250m.
2.Unplaced last start (5th or worse) and $8SP or less last start.
3.10 days or less break since LS.
4.Age of horse 3 to 5 and having no more than 15 starts
5.Must have a win in exposed form i.e. last 4 runs
6.Must have 2 or more runs in from a spell.
7.No more than 200mtrs up or 100mtrs down in distance.
8.Weight must not be going up or down more than 3kg. [ignore claims].


HAMILTON
R6/11- 5588115 CONCLAVE (3) ADELE GARRAWAY -F ALESCI - 53.5
MUSWELLBROOK
R7/6 - 36s1225 MAHARANI MARSCAY (4) TODD HOWLETT -P GRAHAM 54
PORT LINCOLN
R4/6 - 0831845 PURAKING (5) ROBERT KING - M HOPPO 54.5
TATURA
R6 [CUP] 5 -s009016 DON'T STOP (1) JAMIE SCOTT -L CURRIE 55

I havn't looked at ELWICK or KALGOORLIE .

not up in class

CRASH.
 

I assume the weight rule if taking into account the "LIMIT "weight.

Cheers.
darky.

Good work Crash.

Can any of our other comrades test this system for us? Remember, we all must put in for the communist plan to work!!

Puraking $16.90/$4.20 Unitab !!!!!

I'm a firm believer in striking a system before it goes pear shaped. I've had $10x$40 on each of them e/w. for a bit of Sunday fun. Nice start Comrades !!!

I'm testing it right now mate. A OK so far:-)

...great work crash n comrades...a winner first up...!!!!

I missed it though. Just got back from bad golf..Will follow the rest with interest...
The hamilton selection is about 20/1 befor the jump

Conclave just missed a place for 4th.

Conclave: fourth, comrades.

Still we should be ahead so far [today -- and some day(s) in the future!]

i put the mokka on it!!
 

Conclave - just missed a place...

Considering the odds, that was a very impressive run. I'm not too unhappy with it.

Hmmm, I looked at them, but didn't back them. Damn.

Ah but Sportz, comrade, the communist cannot ride on the back of his fellow communist without toiling his share! The man who benefits from the toilings of others without toiling himself is that pig capitalist!

2 wins and 2 4ths. Not bad going for a system by the people for the people !

Monday 10th. April

Mildura
R8/1 -97s19 JACKABILITY (4) BRENDON HEARPS [? apprentice?] 58

Moree
R3/4 -s6719 STOP TALKING (4) LUKE GRIFFITH -D JONES (N) 54
R5/7 -5s36631 TIGE (5) GEOFF O'BRIEN -CLINT LUNDHOLM (A,2) 54

These don't look too bad at all.

Going well so far.

The communist system
 

Making money eh.

Its off to the gulag for you lot.

Commisar darky.

We'll bribe our way out Darky.

Commie system tips.
Mildura
R8/1 -97s19 JACKABILITY (4) BRENDON HEARPS [? apprentice?] 58 [2nd. $2.10]
Moree
R3/4 -s6719 STOP TALKING (4) LUKE GRIFFITH -D JONES (N) 54 [win $2.90/$1.70]
R5/7 -5s36631 TIGE (5) GEOFF O'BRIEN -CLINT LUNDHOLM (A,2) 54 [unp]

Rule 4 has had a mild modification. As the selections are 3 to 5yr. old there is no point having a max number of runs. Females not racing against males is a handier addition.

..........THE COMMIE SYSTEM...............

1.Must be a race between 1100m and 2250m.
2.Unplaced last start (5th or worse) and $8SP or less last start.
3.10 days or less break since LS.
4.Age of horse 3 to 5 yrs and must not be a mare racing against males.
5.Must have a win in exposed form i.e. last 4 runs
6.Must have 2 or more runs in from a spell.
7.No more than 200mtrs up or 100mtrs down in distance.
8.Weight must not be going up or down more than 3kg. [ignore claims].

Selection for Saterday 15th. for w, e/w or place. Take your pick.

Coffs Harbour
R6/8 Ramraja (3)
Eagle Farm
R5/2 Good Timing (7)
Kyneton
Brief Alliance (14)
Newcastle
R4/9 Grey Night (4)
Oakbank
R9/6 Go August (13)
Ellerslie
R7/11 Alltogether (NZ) (8)

Coffs Harbour
R6/8 Ramraja
Eagle Farm
R5/2 Good Timing [2nd.p5.60] 25/1 shot
Kyneton
Brief Alliance [Scr.]
Newcastle
R4/9 Grey Night. Don't know where I got this one from. Can't find him[?]
Oakbank
R9/6 Go August
Ellerslie
R8/11 Alltogether [scr]

Sunday 16th

Commie system
Sunshine coast
R6/9 Nevada Gambler (7)
Mornington
R5/7 Escape Artist (1)
R8/5 Kimbo (16)

Check for Scr. Recommended bet: 1x4 e/w for all bets for this system as bet for the first selections for the system. Totals so far are:

Win outlay 10 units Return 19.80 Profit 9.80 units.
Place outlay 36 units Return 54.40 Profit 18.40 units
All up Outlay 46 units Return 74.20 Profit 28.20 units
Loseing Days: NIL

Nevada got up at $7.20 probably still have to give the system a bit longer but looks promising. Is there anything the winners have in common so far so we can tighten the system just a little bit more....
Also how do you find out which horses match the system each day, other than look at every horse individually???

Mornington is slow and haven't checked results there yet as there is 1 to run yet..

R6/9 Nevada Gambler (7) was my only bet. here [dry track]. with 2 bets 1x4 e/w from my 'place, place' thread. 1 placing at Courara for $2.40 and one to go at Albany in R6 Shane's Boy.. That's all I'd do with this system. Good tracks only . Less bets but always more races coming. Wet tracks need Handicapping for each horse selected by the system, not a system for all seasons without handicapping.