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bwuce 18th April 2006 11:19 AM

First-Up
 
I’ve noticed over time that many forumites shy away from backing / tipping horses running first-up after a spell. I think in general the uninformed punter does similar and as such backing specific ‘first-up’ horses can provide a nice return on investment.

I normally punt on a $4x$8 basis as often they will run a place (but not necessarily win) at big odds.

I select horses that are resuming from a spell of 6 months or less, with a previous good first-up record, that have been rated in my top 5 selections for the particular race.

Their race rating is based on the average of previous first-up performances max 3 most recent for 5YOs or older, or best of last 2 for 4YOs or younger.

I’ll often increase my outlay if they have performed well in recent barrier trial/s.

partypooper 18th April 2006 11:26 AM

Bwuce, my experience is that most races of 1200m or LESS are won by 1st uppers, as you say often at big odds. This rule also quite often catches the "STAYER" resuming at short distance and jags it, there have been some beauts like this.

bwuce 18th April 2006 11:28 AM

TUES April 18
 
Today’s qualifiers are:-

Scone R6 1 Opal Chip
Scone R7 1 Diamond Ridge / 3 Endless Dream
Scone R8 4 Seven Stars / 7 Vernissage

All $4x$8

bwuce 18th April 2006 11:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by partypooper
Bwuce, my experience is that most races of 1200m or LESS are won by 1st uppers, as you say often at big odds. This rule also quite often catches the "STAYER" resuming at short distance and jags it, there have been some beauts like this.


You’re probably right partypooper but I have been including races up to 1400 - thanks :)

Sportz 18th April 2006 03:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bwuce
Scone R6 1 Opal Chip


Well done!

He had a GREAT first-up record and a pretty good record at the track and the distance. How could he be those odds???

classiconi 18th April 2006 03:15 PM

Nice tip on the 6th bwuce, might tempt me to have a go at the next

crash 18th April 2006 04:11 PM

R6/1 Nice job for a toppy with 59kg. in 'slow' cond't. I had Queen Jill [$2.30p] for 2nd.

R8 My money is on Seven Stars who should win, even if it goes to heavy. 4 or 5 scratchings though so odds will be down and probably no 3rd. divvy.

Sportz 18th April 2006 05:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportz
He had a GREAT first-up record and a pretty good record at the track and the distance. How could he be those odds???


Forgot to mention 3 previous placings from 3 starts in the wet too.

bwuce 19th April 2006 11:19 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bwuce
Today’s qualifiers are:-

Scone R6 1 Opal Chip
Scone R7 1 Diamond Ridge / 3 Endless Dream
Scone R8 4 Seven Stars / 7 Vernissage

All $4x$8



Great start with Opal Chip winning - paid $11.30 & $2.80
Diamond Ridge & Endless Dream both unplaced
Vernissage late scratching
Seven Stars then finished things off on a good note winning the last - paid $1.70 & $1.10

Total outlay $48 Total return $83.20

bwuce 19th April 2006 11:26 AM

WED April 19
 
Today’s qualifiers (early races) are:-

Randwick R1 4 Hadaaf
Randwick R2 4 Sharp Aunty

All $4x$8

Back with the rest later

bwuce 19th April 2006 12:29 PM

WED April 19
 
Off to a terrible start! let's hope things improve :rolleyes:

Other qualifiers today are:-

Randwick R4 1 More Than Hugs $8x$16
Randwick R6 1 California Dane $8x$16 10 Our Sweet Moss 11 Century Serb both $4x$8

Placid Ark 19th April 2006 04:24 PM

First-upper (3) Elantone Park looks a strong chance in the last at Pinjarra today.

He has performed creditably 2 of 3 first-up starts, the other he had excuses when trapped wide most of journey higher class at Ascot.

Won a Belmont trial over 1000m earlier this month.

Placid Ark 20th April 2006 06:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Placid Ark
First-upper (3) Elantone Park looks a strong chance in the last at Pinjarra today.

He has performed creditably 2 of 3 first-up starts, the other he had excuses when trapped wide most of journey higher class at Ascot.

Won a Belmont trial over 1000m earlier this month.


Finished midfield but well beaten. Interestingly started 2nd fav so it seems I was not on my lonesome in expecting Elantone Park to perform well first-up.

Perhaps I should start a 'second-up' thread LOL

Placid Ark 20th April 2006 07:04 PM

W.A. Guineas winner Cape North returns to the track this Saturday at Ascot.

No doubt he will be well fancied and did win first-up last campaign. But this time around has had a setback or two and no trials that I can see. He also has to lump 59kgs. Think I'll just watch ;)

bwuce 21st April 2006 07:43 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bwuce
Off to a terrible start! let's hope things improve :rolleyes:

Other qualifiers today are:-

Randwick R4 1 More Than Hugs $8x$16
Randwick R6 1 California Dane $8x$16 10 Our Sweet Moss 11 Century Serb both $4x$8


Well, back to earth with a thud! A total of 6 bets Wed and not one return!!

Progress to-date
Total outlay $144 Total return $83.20

bwuce 21st April 2006 07:44 AM

FRI April 21
 
Today’s qualifiers are:-

Grafton R6 7 Pimpala Blaze
Canberra R7 4 Beau Of Indies
Canberra R8 2 Edge Of The Storm 9 Bella Bandito

All $4x$8

zaac64 21st April 2006 10:32 PM

There are 3 first-uppers Eagle Farm race 7 tomorrow that are in with a good chance imo...Proudly Agro..Show Biz Kid..Deuxieme

Don't be misled by the poor first-up stats listed for Show Biz Kid..he has rated well first-up on a number occassions although not finishing 1,2or3..

In addition both Show Biz Kid & Deuxieme have trialled well recently..

zaac64 21st April 2006 10:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaac64
There are 3 first-uppers Eagle Farm race 7 tomorrow that are in with a good chance imo...Proudly Agro..Show Biz Kid..Deuxieme

Don't be misled by the poor first-up stats listed for Show Biz Kid..he has rated well first-up on a number occassions although not finishing 1,2or3..

In addition both Show Biz Kid & Deuxieme have trialled well recently..



Oops! Should read 4 first-uppers..add Daunting Lad..same race..

goldeee 22nd April 2006 08:02 AM

Lee Curtis stable quietly confident that recent stable addition TWANGED will perform well today first-up at Kembla (race 4) ;)

goldeee 23rd April 2006 05:45 AM

TWANGED
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldeee
Lee Curtis stable quietly confident that recent stable addition TWANGED will perform well today first-up at Kembla (race 4) ;)


ran on very gamely for 2nd ...paid $2.90 place

zaac64 24th April 2006 05:19 AM

Daunting Lad
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zaac64
Oops! Should read 4 first-uppers..add Daunting Lad..same race..


A great effort to win first-up! (albeit on protest) more to come no doubt!!

zaac64 27th April 2006 07:50 AM

The topweight Captain Wheland - Townsville race 6 - has an impeccable record first-up. Won previous 4 starts (all this course) the last 3 by big margins!

zaac64 28th April 2006 08:21 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by zaac64
The topweight Captain Wheland - Townsville race 6 - has an impeccable record first-up. Won previous 4 starts (all this course) the last 3 by big margins!



EZY win Captain Wheland!! Multis CW as anchor paid pretty well, the tri just over 200 bucks, the first4 almost 700 bucks!

chubby 29th April 2006 10:07 AM

GOLD COAST
 
FLYING TEST Goldie R4! First-up record: 2-2-0-0

peanutz 30th April 2006 08:30 AM

Tamworth race 6
 
DERBY PARADE should race handy from a good draw in the big field. Goes extra well first-up and suited the good track and distance. A very nice ew chance!

zaac64 1st May 2006 09:15 AM

The lightly raced Brave Action Doomben race 6 has a very nice first-up record and should start at ew odds!

peanutz 2nd May 2006 08:07 AM

Orange race 8
 
ILITHYIA was unlucky first-up last prep then won at next start after being freshened. Expecting a bold first-up performance today.

POSEIDON 2nd May 2006 09:08 PM

IPSWICH 6
 
(2) ICEDANE was very unlucky first start (over this course) should have won. Placed and won at 3 subsequent starts. Great chance first-up once more.

humdinger 3rd May 2006 09:31 AM

kempsey today
 
race 7 no. 3 windon should do well first-up today

addari 3rd May 2006 10:54 PM

TACTICAL RESPONSE
 
The Gai Waterhouse trained 3YO gelding Tactical Response unbeaten at only 2 starts should be too strong for them first-up tomorrow. Gone well recent trials and has a 3kg apprentice claim just to make sure. Might not be much value so you might want bank off with Anniversary Prince, Carry The King and Catbird Kahn.

Chuck Bar Lena 5th May 2006 11:00 PM

GOLD COAST R8
 
(13) COUNTESS BATHORY goes good first-up and has good barrier

catweazle 6th May 2006 04:06 PM

TOOWOOMBA R3
 
FLEETING ECHO great first-up record and trained at the track!!

THE PHANTOM 6th May 2006 07:31 PM

SUNSHINE COAST RACE 8 (Sunday)
 
MATEY goes very well fresh & is a multiple winner in the city

4theboyz 7th May 2006 12:42 AM

cessnock cup,.,.no penalty

catweazle 8th May 2006 10:05 AM

GOULBURN R3
 
CRIMSON SUNRISE has a good first-up record and was placed in a recent Randwick barrier trial!

rarebitz 8th May 2006 02:38 PM

Dubbo last - AMISERE

catweazle 10th May 2006 07:59 AM

Races 4
 
SYDNEY R4
FLYING DANSINO first-up record OK and comes off an easy Randwick trial win late last month.

BRISBANE R4
The John Hawkes trained TAMALES has a good first-up record and was placed in a recent Deagon barrier trial

MELBOURNE R4
PAINTED PURE has a very good first-up record and has won a few times in the heavy

Cheda 11th May 2006 10:30 PM

BR5 Prince of Steel

catweazle 12th May 2006 09:44 AM

COFFS HARBOUR R1
SCOTTALOT paced twice from 3 starts this course and gone well first-up previously

TOWNSVILLE R3
LUST IN SPACE looks well placed in this first-up record ok

TOWNSVILLE R5
PRINCE OF STEEL excellent strike rate and first-up record

catweazle 12th May 2006 02:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by catweazle
COFFS HARBOUR R1
SCOTTALOT paced twice from 3 starts this course and gone well first-up previously

TOWNSVILLE R3
LUST IN SPACE looks well placed in this first-up record ok

TOWNSVILLE R5
PRINCE OF STEEL excellent strike rate and first-up record



SCOTTALOT 1st
PRINCE OF STEEL 1st


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