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pengo 26th January 2008 01:31 PM

How often does the race fav win or place in small field of runners?
 
G'day

I've been having a lot of success today, backing the favourite and even the quinella (box top 3 horses) today..

So just wondering if someone could reply back with the stats for the following conditions:

Race has no more than 6 runners, short priced favourite has won or placed (since small field 1st or 2nd).

Would be interesting to see what the strike rate is for the SP fav in such a small field..

Thanks

Bhagwan 27th January 2008 03:15 AM

All the stats for this can be found by Google "Flat Stats" then go to LHS of page sub title "Race Stats" one can tailor the search to exactly what you want.

Cheers.

pengo 27th January 2008 09:08 AM

thanks, but thats for uk racing...

partypooper 27th January 2008 10:41 AM

Pengo, I haven't the stats anymore, but I did do extensive research a few years ago, always frustratingly when the S/R increased due to filters the SP decreased in proportion, so same story. loss of about 10% on turnover. Amazingingly the closest to break even was backing odds on chances only.
Another thing was that there was virtually no difference (over time) in S/R no matter what the class of race, and again where there was; the SP decreased in proportion. Also virtually no difference in LOT (over time) between the actual fav or the pre-post fav.

stugots 27th January 2008 12:25 PM

just an observation that i am sure many share is that fields of 6 or < often are not run at a true pace & with upsets not uncommon

& many a time im sure ive seen the jocks having a bit of a chat as they dawdle down the back straight...(probably auctioning off the result):)

Dancing Sun 27th January 2008 03:13 PM

Heres another one- How many maidens who win, go on to win their next race

Bhagwan 28th January 2008 04:14 AM

The general stats from that UK site are almost identical to Australian racing.
e.g. Favs are placed 61% of the time, same as here in Aust according to Gary Robinson's book on Favs.
The average div is also the same.

The question of Maidens winning their next race after a win is pretty terrible because they are going up in class after their maiden win.
Their SR is less than the overall last start winner stat average of 20% it also generates a level stakes loss.

Merriguy 28th January 2008 05:39 AM

Therefor a good lay???? Have always thought that (with few exceptions) C1 horses are pretty ratty to follow anyway.

Dancing Sun 28th January 2008 11:52 AM

You are thinking the same way i am Merriguy

Chrome Prince 28th January 2008 12:22 PM

Don't lay them....

Maiden winners that start favourite next start win 33.41% of races and the loss is only 11.41%

Not as bad as one might think, in fact pretty good.

Dancing Sun 29th January 2008 04:40 PM

very interesting

Merriguy 30th January 2008 08:02 AM

Yes, interesting, Thanks Chrome.

stugots 30th January 2008 09:01 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrome Prince
Don't lay them....

Maiden winners that start favourite next start win 33.41% of races and the loss is only 11.41%

Not as bad as one might think, in fact pretty good.


so their winning % & lot are about the same as that for all favourites or am i missing something?

Chrome Prince 30th January 2008 09:29 AM

Their winning percentage is slightly above the average and LOT the same, so it's not a laying angle unless you can find the losers or a lower average price.


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