How good do you look?
 

Geez I pondered forever on this thread, but finally decided to go ahead.

What I'm looking for is folks to come clean on how good they are! Now I know this is a bit like asking a bloke how big his old fella is, but I'm looking for truthfull answers even though I'm not asking for back up evidence. (This is concerning your betting, not your old fella!)

What I'm looking for is the stats of your best systems, be they win, place, exotics or whatever.

To make it meaningful your system must qualify:
1). Minimum 200 bets.
2). Minimum 5 bets average per week.
3). Not a purple patch edited from a system.
4). Current system.--not history from the good old days.

How do you measure up?

1) SR? 2) AVERAGE DIVIDEND?

Of course the reason I was wondering was that mine looks bigger every time I look at it, (my bank balance that is) and I was wondering if I should rest on my laurels or is there an even better system out there waiting for me?

TWOBETS, maybe if you "polished" your's a bit more, maybe you wouldn't need to look at anyone elses hee he! (only joking TWOBETS!)

Mine grows by more than 4%, has a Strike Rate of 70%, and averages about 1.5 mind you I'm not as young as I once was, but I still know where to PLACE it!

Thanks Party,
 

It's kinda frightening ain't it Party putting this stuff out there for all to see so I thank you from deep down for coming out.

Yours looks pretty damn impressive to me but I can still rest on my laurels. Mine is bigger than yours but if I could place it for that much I'd be very happy.

To make it meaningful your system must qualify:
1). Minimum 200 bets. 2733
2). Minimum 5 bets average per week. up to 50 a day
3). Not a purple patch edited from a system. nope
4). Current system.--not history from the good old days. yep

How do you measure up?

1) SR? 19.9%

2) AVERAGE DIVIDEND? $5.68

I will be interested how mine compares?

Ooooh Mathew!
 

That sure is a big one Mathew!

I'm running these submissions through the online Drawdown calculator and can confirm that yours is big enough to frighten any partygoer.

But! I'm afraid mine is still bigger on both % edge and profit. Still you could wave that average dividend around and impress anyone...including me mate.

LOL. Thanks mate.

Where is this drawdown calculator?

Drawdown Calculator,
 

Methinks gratitudes go to another contributor for this. It is a useful tool and I suspect the owner has many useful tools!

home.iprimus.com.au/jfc2000/drawdown.htm

Well, let's face it TWOBETS, if it was any smaller than 1.5 I would have been Joan instead of John hee hee! BUT look at the strike rate? and NO COMPLAINTS.

Little boys never grow up, they just grow old.

I'm sure there are many "members" with more impressive tails, (er that's tales)

Keep it up TWOBETS

Nobody likes a show off TWOBETS!!

So just how big is it?

It's harder than it looks !
 

Well Mathew as big as mine is, I can also claim that thanks to Mr Smith on this site over the last six months mine has continued to get bigger!

These impressive figures however do not show that increase specifically and are merely an overall of the last three years.

$1.87 76%

I'm forever fiddling with mine...my sytem that is...lol...but here's the stats on my newly refined system.

Bet for the win
24.2% strike rate
$10.76 ave price per winner
160.5% pot
longest losing streak = 13

44.8% strike rate
$2.66 ave price per place
19.4% pot
longest losing streak = 6

Unfortunately, I average only 3 to 4 bets per week, so technically my system doesn't meet your guidelines of 5 minimum. It's not how big it is, but what you do with it that really counts though right...lol.

I have only been collecting data for my system since 10/2006, so I've only got 223 selections thus far, and unfortunately I haven't been betting this version of my system the whole time, since I recently discovered a couple of great new filters.

Silver and Sand rubbish!
 

That should read Gold and Platinum!

Crikey mate I can tell you never leave yours alone.....it's freakin' HUGE!!!!

Serously impressive set of figures there and it really does make me want to get back to that drawing board and keep on thinking outside my silly little square. It's been so long since I came up with a radically different system that I was starting to think maybe I'd tried it all already. Not many bets per week, sure, but who cares with a return like that?

Thanks a million for spurring me on.

Heres one that has a 90% place SR

Chasing the 300+ Ptr in the Neurals set on Std Factory settings .

Bet 1 unit a win Lay & Bet 2 units for it to run a place.

Using Betfair.

They very rarely win, but they get placed a lot for some reason .

About 10-12 bets a week.

Cheers.

Well, with some of THOSE monsters, I'd better stand and pee in the corner! mine too finds 10-12 bets a week and I have steadily increased stakes, but I guess it's all about having the "B A L L S" to "plonk' it on ey?

Hey partypooper,

Just looking at the results that you have put up, it comes out as exactly the same results as a place system I have been trialling. Out of curiosity, did a member off these forums pass it on to you? I havent actually started betting it yet, just building up a good size starting bank at present.

G'Day Thorns, no this particular one is all mine, though some of the filters are well tried. I have passed my thoughts onto other members via e-mail, but that is usually not about the initial selection process. The only other things I could say though is that BEST tote is essential.

Gee LOOK ...everyone is measuring themselves!

Mine is only pixie sized

AngryPixie or AngryPygmie?
 

You know what they say about Pygmies! Hell, I once saw a David Attenborough thingy on Pygmies and he made a point of how big their Strike Rates were.

No kidding, impressive set of figures on those fellas!!!

In my experience it's the ones that brag that seem to use the cubicles and buy big cars!
but talking of "horses" what would you reckon to this win system, a particular genuine run: 9 losers followed by a 2-1 winner then 7 losers folowed by a 1-1 winner? any comments appreciated.

Do you guys just bet the win? Is betting the win more profitable long term? ...or do you guys bet each way? Which will give us the more profit long term.

Win or Place? That is the question.
 

Hi Mr Q. For me I would have thought it depends on the system.

Personally I have a place system that has a ridiculously high SR with very average dividend averages. While this doesn't have the better POT compaired to my best win system, it is still where I place my serious dosh because I'm more comfortable without the ups and downs.

IMHO.

Mr Quaddie, mmmmm, really into in dividual preferences here, see the "win" side of things tends to come out OVER TIME with a better POT, but on the downside is the regular runs of outs (which is what I was trying to coax some comment about in the other post) BUT with the place betting is the regular payouts x smaller POT.

Horses for courses as they say, in my case I HATE TO LOSE, so place betting is for me, take today as an example

PR3-5 Loser, PR 6-6 $4.30 w $1.80 p, PR7-10 placed $1.70c, so on the day + 50c (16.66%) that to me is excellent business, but IF I'd bet for the win =+ $1.30 (43.33%) but that is just one day.

When the horse wins it doesn't bother me at all, I just think in terms of THAT is a place!

Alchemy is the art of turning base metal into gold.No-one has ever managed to pull it off.

We are attempting to predict a future outcome with some extremely limited information.Even people with unlimited cash,the ability to buy the most brilliant mathematicians,programmers etc etc, and access to the best information fail in the long term.

This should be telling us that punting is a fun hobby,and like most hobbies will cost a few $$$$.Take it seriously and we are heading for financial disaster.

The number of forumites who conclude their posts with the words "good luck" (including myself) have inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.

Good Luck.

syllabus23, the game of course is stacked against the player, you know like the Pokie Machine that displays a sign saying "This machine pays out a minimum of 85%" really means "over time this machine is set to take 15c from every dollar that goes through it"
But of course it's possible for one person to walk past the machine put in 1$ and hit the jackpot, someone wins Lotto every single week!

There has always been "professional punters" few enough % for the game to continue, but still a lot in numbers. Very astute people, or very lucky people, but who was it that said "The harder I work at it the luckier I get"?

ive know several people over the years that would disagree with you comments syllabus23,

if one expects to front up & find that magic system well you'll get bitten

put the effort in & results can start to swing your way & that really becomes the start of the journey

plenty areas of life we find 'impossible' & as long as we believe that it will be true

I'm with you mate. 5,673 bits of info. needed to make a correct technical punt. Very few bits of info. available!

Place versus win? It's obviously in the odds. Win bet wins every time over time.

Punting is a good hobby and heaps of fun. If you want to make money there are plenty of places to do it besides punting. Even Bank term deposits will do better than punting!

What punting does offer is the chance of winning to those who have no capital for other options [bit like Tatslotto] and for real ************, a place to wash money!

Good Luck.

"if one expects to front up & find that magic system well you'll get bitten"....

Hmm I dont recall saying anything like that.

I do know that in average fields almost any punter can reduce the chances down to five horses.The part which brings 99.9% of us unstuck is consistently reducing those five down to one,

I'm not suggesting that it's impossible.Clearly the long term contributers to this forum (disregarding the entrepreneurs marketing their various products) do it often enough to stay in the game without developing a gambling problem.

Prior to EI I attended on average three race meetings a week.Now that the EI problem appears to have been resolved I'm looking forward to resuming my hobby (which is horse racing as opposed to gambling).Over the years I have made many racing friends from bookies, trainers, various connections etc.The ones who depart the scene are (predictably) the ones who thought that they could make gambling pay.In the long term they dont.

I see too many desperates both in real life and forumites who appear and disappear overnight to enter that topic.

Good Luck.

In [almost] 40yrs of punting I could never make a wage out of it either. I've been in it for the enjoyment and it's been GRAND!

The get rich quick kids just come and go because they love money, not the sport and the biggest problem of picking a winner consistently [for them], lies between the chair and the form-guide. The rest of us know inconsistency is consistent with the sport :-)

probably because i never suggested you did...

there is however a level of negativity that regularly exudes from this place that is quite tiresome

I think it fair to say one man's negativity is another man's wisdom.

Hey stugots, it's also known as "I can't do it, therefore no-one can".

I think you missed the light hearted stoicism in the recent posts Mark, as did Stogots. Some people have a sense of humour and some don't I guess. Something I've never witnessed from you anyway, so your comment is totally consistent.

As did you crash, as did you.

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Ahhh Italians,,,,They say it so succinctly,but if that's the way you see yourself I defend your right to self expression.

To all an sundry:
lest we forget - Dust + Water = MUD.

Now now Crashy boy, youre a fishing man, don't take the bait mate!

anyway what's wrong with 1.5 FEET hahahah!

lol

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if your going to get personal at least get it right, you sad little man

btw, how much did you lose yesterday, because thats all you do right, lose?

yep
 

yes, i know the type well mark, to be avoided like the plague of possible!

Thanks All.
 

Well well well ! That got a little hot under the collar for a while but things seem to have petered out now.

I would like to thank those that had the cahunas to put up their long term results because as we know it does attract the negative feedback from the non believers.

To me now this game is like shooting fish in a barrel and courtesy of my high SR is very predictable indeed. I hasten to add that I am always ready for the bubble to burst and have other strategies waiting should that happen.

So this is the ultimate "no proof" but look how good I am posting. I post this not to annoy the likes of Mr Crash (who's input I value immensely) but simply to keep those poor ************s who have the one necesssary trait to find an angle in this game, some hope.......persistence is all I ever used.

It ************ well CAN be done. Keep looking.