Doncaster Handicap
 

What is everyone liking for the race, I am on Hot Danish e/w at 35-1 put that bet on a couple of months ago and also on All Silent e/w at 200-1 which i put on a couple of weeks ago. I may look at something else on raceday next week but for the most part I am happy enough if both of those horses secure a run in the race

i backed bobadah, which just looking at the price now seems to have doubled since its last run. didnt think it was that bad myself, has there been news it isn't running?

Here is your problem for Bobadah mate he has next to no chance of making the field

Balloting Order Horse Age/Sex Trainer Prizemoney
Benchmark
Weight
1 HONOR IN WAR 9H CHRIS WALLER EXEMPT
2 CASINO PRINCE 4H ANTHONY CUMMINGS EXEMPT
3 DANLEIGH 4G CHRIS WALLER EXEMPT
4 WEEKEND HUSSLER 3G ROSS Mc DONALD EVEN
5 DIVINE MADONNA 5M MARK KAVANAGH -1
6 MENTALITY 4G JOHN HAWKES -1.5
7 FORENSICS 3F PETER SNOWDEN -3.5
8 MEGATIC 3G ALBIE BECKETT -3.5
9 SNIPER'S BULLET 4G TRACEY BARTLEY -3.5
10 RUBISCENT 5G MICK PRICE -3.5
11 MARCHING 3C PETER SNOWDEN -4
12 CAMARILLA 3F PETER SNOWDEN -4
13 SERIOUS SPEED 3F LEON MACDONALD -4
14 TUESDAY JOY 4M GAI WATERHOUSE -4
15 DEVIL MOON 4M MARK KAVANAGH -4
16 BON HOFFA 5H WENDY KELLY -4
17 SHINZIG 6H MICK PRICE -4
18 TERANABA 4H ANTHONY CUMMINGS -4.5
19 GERMAN CHOCOLATE 5G PAUL CAVE -4.5
20 MALCOLM 6G JOHN HAWKES -4.5
21 ESKIMO QUEEN 4M MICHAEL MORONEY $458,561 -5
22 HOT DANISH 4M LES BRIDGE $379,380 -5
23 GALLANT TESS 4M DAVID PAYNE $325,825 -5
24 CINQUE CENTO 6M PETER MOODY -5
25 MASKED ASSASSIN 3C PETER MOODY -5.5
26 VALEDICTUM 7G DANNY O'BRIEN -5.5
27 SOLO FLYER 3C ANTHONY CUMMINGS $200,775 -6
28 MIMI LEBROCK 3F BART CUMMINGS $175,800 -6
29 PILLAR OF HERCULES 3C PETER MOODY $161,025 -6
30 CATECHUCHU 4M DAVID HAYES $645,062 -6
31 TRANSLATE 4M DAVID HAYES $451,135 -6
32 JUST MAMBO 4G JOHN O'SHEA $217,650 -6
33 ALL SILENT 4G GRAHAME BEGG $159,050 -6
34 FALAISE 5G PETER SNOWDEN $521,340 -6
35 FRIDAY CREEK 5G JOHN O'SHEA $418,150 -6
36 MOLOTOV 6G DAVID HAYES -6
37 SHREWD RHYTHM 3C DAVID HAYES $374,000 -6.5
38 KINGDA KA 3C GAI WATERHOUSE $338,900 -6.5
39 TRIPLE HONOUR 3G CHRIS WALLER $296,400 -6.5
40 OCCURRENCE 3F BART CUMMINGS $279,150 -6.5
41 SWISS *** 3C MICK MAIR $265,750 -6.5
42 TAN TAT DE LAGO 3F PETER MOODY $251,150 -6.5
43 TURFFONTEIN 3C ANTHONY CUMMINGS $174,200 -6.5
44 ARLINGTON 3C GRAEME ROGERSON $152,600 -6.5
45 ACEY DUCEY 3C GRAHAME BEGG $139,550 -6.5
46 LARGO LAD * 3C DAVID HAYES $103,175 -6.5
47 CRAVINGS * 3R JOHN HAWKES $93,625 -6.5
48 PISTOLS * 3C PETER SNOWDEN $80,800 -6.5
49 ROAD TO ROCK * 3C ANTHONY CUMMINGS $28,200 -6.5
50 PERFECT DROP 4M GUY WALTER $288,350 -6.5
51 THESEO 4G GAI WATERHOUSE $231,880 -6.5
52 VIEWED 4H BART CUMMINGS $221,030 -6.5
53 DELORAINE 4M ANTHONY CUMMINGS $210,575 -6.5
54 ÉCLAIR PASSION 4G PETER MOODY $207,090 -6.5
55 PINNACLES 4G RICK HORE-LACY $204,170 -6.5
56 BARLINNIE 4G PETER MOODY $159,090 -6.5
57 GOD'S HAND 4H BART CUMMINGS $131,080 -6.5
58 SWISSAC 4M BART CUMMINGS $112,040 -6.5
59 ANY HUMOUR 4G TIM MARTIN $80,700 -6.5
60 LITTLE SAI WAN 4G ANTHONY CUMMINGS $78,050 -6.5
61 BRYANNBO'S GIFT 4H ANNE-MARIE RUTTLEY $70,900 -6.5
62 ANY HUMOUR 4G TIM MARTIN $63,150 -6.5
63 BOBADAH 5G GUY WALTER $273,872 -6.5
64 PARTY CRASHER 5G GAI WATERHOUSE $182,905 -6.5
65 ESKAW 5M PETER MOODY $174,350 -6.5
66 SOILED 5G ANTHONY CUMMINGS $83,900 -6.5
67 FIGHTING FUND 6G GUY WALTER $303,990 -6.5
68 LEGENDARY MAN 6G KEN LANTRY $285,500 -6.5
69 EL MEROO 6G GWENDA MARKWELL $284,585 -6.5
70 FIVE CAR STUD 6G ANTHONY CUMMINGS $33,500 -6.5
71 MR UBIQUITOUS (NZ) 7G CHRIS WALLER $471,094 -6.5

if you take out expected final non exceptances,,,even All Silent just makes the field,,,
I'm on mentality and still happy with him,,,Honour and War and Casino Prince next best .,,
the light weight mares like Forensics, Hot Danish and Gallant Tess still in it,,,and if the track is good i'd entertain the thought with German Chocolate..

Yea trust me mav I amnot confident of him getting a run I am hopeful more than anything.

the way forensics has been running i think its definitely the one to beat. not the strongest doncaster in the past few years with racing to win and now weekend hussler out makes it a little less exciting and take a bit of value from the rest on race day. i give a great chance to serious speed also.

Hard to see Forensics getting beaten here.....does anyone know if Serious Speed will be running. i'll be having a moral bet on camarilla despite what e.i. has done to her

yep serious speed all set

was a cracking run last start, $11 seems value

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Funny you should mention dreams cause I had one about the race

The casino prince and his girlfriend the eskimo queen are in a cafe eating hot danish and drinking german chocolate when gallant tess comes marching in and says,'have you heard mimi le brock has been seen out with malcolm'
The casino prince then turns to the eskimo queen and says 'i thought malcolm was dating camarilla'

Weird huh!

Just goes to prove there is no honour amongst those three.

Oh no! That points to TRIPLE HONOUR and believe me the way my luck has been going it will win.

Had a fixed odds double early in March VON COSTA DE HERO ($35) and TRIPLE HONOUR ($35) - Odds of 1225/1

Then again ............ That's Life (and I do have my health)


frogs

geez he didnt end up missing it by much. i dont know what you were so worried about, all silent got in easy :)

TAB HORSE JOCKEY BARRIER
1 MENTALITY Darren Beadman 14
2 SNIPER'S BULLET Hugh Bowman 16
3 CASINO PRINCE Damien Oliver 5
4 GERMAN CHOCOLATE 12
5 MEGATIC Jay Ford 10
6 ESKIMO QUEEN Mark Zahra 6
7 MARCHING Corey Brown 9
8 VALEDICTUM 13
9 ALL SILENT Peter Robl 15
10 FALAISE Josh Parr (a) 11
11 FRIDAY CREEK Glyn Schofield 4
12 JUST MAMBO Tye Angland (a) 8
13 MOLOTOV Craig Williams 22
14 FORENSICS Danny Nikolic 17
15 GALLANT TESS 2
16 HOT DANISH Tim Clark 1
17 PINNACLES 21
18 THESEO Blake Shinn 18
19 SERIOUS SPEED Craig Newitt 19
20 TRIPLE HONOUR Glen Boss 7
21 GOD'S HAND (1st Emerg) 20
22 FIGHTING FUND (2nd Emerg) 3
23 MR UBIQUITOUS (3rd Emerg) 23

Gallant Tess drawn nicely for once,,hers was a good run last start,,,,
seems the track will be atleast very slow ...makes things tricky..

Depending on track condt. I think the big 3 are Forensics, Mentality and Triple Honour.

i just can't have it after its last start :(

Crash I amnot knocking you at all mate but I would really struggle to pick Mentallity, outside of Beadman riding the horse I don't alot of positives in the race for him and I really don't feel he is travelling anywhere near his best.

I know he beat Racing to Win 2 starts ago but the race was literally handed to him, I would be seriously shocked if he finished in the 1st half a dozen horses on the weekend.

I still like Hot Danish she drops almost 5kgs from her last run and meets Eskimo Queen a couple of Kgs better aswell as drawing far better this time. I know everyone doubts how good she is but with a sit in this I feel she can show her best whether the inside is the place to be or not noone will know until saturday.

I like All Silent and think he has a bright future ahead of him how much that barrier hurt him i amnot sure only time will tell, outside of those I have already had bets on Forensics is an obvious include in my books as is Eskimo Queen and Gallant Tess and I would be reluctant to leave Triple Honor out of the multiples however I think he might have come to the end of his run, will make a decision on him later in the week.

I forget to mention Serious Speed good horse with a nice weight in this.

Raw , It's hard to say mentality's win the other day was handed to him when it was such a small field and both Snipers Bullet and Racing To Win had good shots at him ,,,his run Saturday was just a track gallop but i do think he needs it no worse than slow,,,
In a race where theres no natural front runners i can see him atleast trying to lead as this lets him settle alittle better,,,Beadman rides him better than anyone and he'll still give them something to run down...especially slow or better..,,dont leave him out of your tris ect..

Wouldnt Fighting Fund give it go in this if he got a start,,,loves the wet and the long straight and has no weight..

Pinnacles is flying ,,,seems to like the wet ???

The girls seem to have to much of a weight advantage here in the bog ,,So i havent a clue what i'm doing yet,,,i'll wait to see what the track will be like..

yeah weird

does ok all track types

Another thought to consider is "how much last weeks run would have taken out of a few of these"
Like the Slipper programing and qualifying conditions are different this year..

The 1st 2 past the post in the slipper had a light late prep into the race...

Maybe we should be looking more at Serious Speed ,Forensics,Snipers Bullet the later 2 the more fitter..

certainly gallent tess' last run would have taken a bit out of her

Mav I can understand why people have a wrap on Mentallity, I have always been a fan of the horse I just do not feel he has come up anywhere near his best and will carry 57.5kgs on what looks like it is going to be a slow track at best, Ground in which I feel he is questionable on. Beadman is a master and it is hard to go against anything he rides but as it sits I couldn't have a spot in my quaddie for Mentallity and would want to be including quite a few horses in my trifecta for him to be there, That is my choice whether it is a smart move or not remains to be seen.

I also question Sniper's Bullet at the trip but would be more inclined to think about including him than Mentallity.

As it sits right now and these are not my final rankings or anything but I would have

1. Hot Danish
2. All Silent
3. Forensics
4. Serious Speed
5. Gallant Tess
6. Eskimo Queen

I know i have gone for alot of the girls there but they are going to be weighted to be right there at the end of this one, I am close to making All Silent my top selection I see real sense of timing about this bloke with not alot on his back he seems to be equally comfortable on top of the ground or with cut in it and lets face it his half sister was a sensational race horse whether or not he is as good as her or not remains to be seen but he certainly seems to have atleast recieved some of that scintilating turn of foot she had.

Triple Honour's last run on April 12 was a shocker, BUT if you get a chance have a look at the race closely.

Newitt missed the start on the horse couldn't make up his mind whether to go forward or not at least 3 times, never got any closer than 4 off the fence ...... Absolute shocker of a ride.

I thought Waller was putting Jay Ford back on the horse but it wont lose much under G Boss.

Definitely include in your exotics whether you like the horse or not.


frogs

Yea Frogs it's the one I am undecided on I just hope Boss doesn't win another one I find him rather annoying to be honest.

Ok, just had a look at the form and i think i've narrowed it down to 7 chances, Casino Prince, Eskimo Queen, All Silent, Friday Creek, Forensics, Hot Danish, Serious Speed.

Traditionalists will say that the Doncaster mile is a very tough one and the winner needs to be a strong mile plus runner rather than a sprinter/miler; and i think this could be true this year what with all the goings on with the track. This puts Forensics in a tricky situation, from what we've seen in her last few starts she's got home okay but shes up against some some good milers in a big field and i think is susceptible. similar situation for All Silent, the randwick mile is the query and i think it could be outclassed. Friday Creek is an interesting one, placings in group races last 4 starts, it just can't seem to finish off, but over the odds and a good place chance.

That leaves 3, Casino Price, Eskimo Queen and Hot Danish. the first two have proven themselves over bigger distances, Eskimo Queen a derby winner and Casino Prince running a good third in the Australian Cup. Hot Danish is an interesting one, proven over the mile (including a gp2 at randwick last prep) and drops a stack of weight from last few runs.

But i'm going with Casino Prince as my top pick, been in outstanding form with a win in the Gp1 Chipping Norton at the randwick mile over Tuesday Joy, and a good 3rd in the George Ryder behind Weekend Hussler (superstar) and Racing to win (former doncaster winner) in the heavy going

good luck

The track is going to make it very hard for everything in this race, if the race is on the track looks as though it will be one of the wettest tracks to be raced on in modern day racing. Anything can and probably will happen, I am happy to be on who I am cause I simply can't pick anything I would want to back on this bog they will race on.

It will be a heavy 9 or 10 I think.

It might be a wrap for either Triple Honour [Boss 7] or Hot Danish [Clark 1].

Danish is a mid-pacer and from B1 might get lost in the pack and will need luck. Boss is on an on-pacer and is a better big race rider Also has a good gate.

Crash I have a feeling that Hot Danish won't be very far off the lead in this race there isn't alot of natural speed there in the race and if she jumps nicely I can see her being in the 1st 3 or 4 if the fence is off they'll is be getting off there anyway so Clark will be able to get her off the no worries, so many times when the fence is off the races are won by the horses saving ground on the corner and getting out wider in the straight.

I have had alot of people telling me that Hot Danish's form is far inferior to Forensics and IMO this is nothing short of garbage. the horse I am using to try and match them up is a horse that raced fairly well against both horses in Like Me Wild, Like Me Wild finished a nose behind Hot Danish on a dead track in which Hot Danish carried 59kgs in and Like Me Wild carried 53kgs.

In Like Me Wild's next start she ran 4th or 5th (not sure now) beaten 2.5 lengths by Forensics however on this occasion Like Me Wild was carrying 56.5kgs and Forensics carrying 54kgs. so in lining this up I know it is hard but this is as good as I can do it as I feel Like Me Wild performed on both outings alot of the others in the race at Canterbury just did not handle the track at all, There is an 8.5kgs swing for about a 2.4 length margin say what you like I know weights don't always mean everything but on that atleast I feel Hot Danish's form is every bit as good as Forensics.

On a heavy track I'm not keen on Forensics [no form], but I reckon he's the best horse in the race. If he wins this we have 2 top 3yrs old now. Weekend Hussler and Forensics with Tuesday's Joy our top stayer.

I am going to give my thoughts on each runner here working with a rating sitting somewhere around a Heavy 9 as I can't see how it will be better than that

1. Mentallity: He's a quality horse but I am really not sold on the fact he is going anywhere near as good as he was last year when he should have nearly won the race, the Heavy track is no help at all to him either so I have to say although I do have a good opinion of the horse I can't have him here at all especially with 57.5kgs on his back.

2 Sniper's Bullet: Last years straddie winner who IMO will struggle to run out the mile he has had 2 starts at the distance one in which Mentallity gave him wind burn as he went past him and the other when beaten half a length by Casino Prince, he had the cushiest of runs on both occasions and is drawn not to get those favours this time once again I am leaving him out of my picks for the main reason I truly don't feel he is going to get a run easy enough for him to run thr trip out.

3. Casino Prince: Alot of people seem to be warming to this bloke and while I concede he has some chance he is a horse I have trouble backing these days, he has won 2 of his last 10 or so races and although they have been at a high level I question that he is truly top notch, I know he won the Chipping Norton but I'd have been more disappointed with him if he didn't get home over Sniper's Bullet at the trip, I question the Chipping Norton Form I know Tuesday's Joy ran 2nd and has won 2 GR1s since but she isnot a miler and wasnot beaten far in that event, he is weighted fairly well I question him on the surface however some will include him I won't be it may cost me but i'll take my chances there.

4. German Chocolate: Hard to give a wrap here doesn't like the wet and was thrashed last start and I doubt he runs the trip out either no!

5. Megatic: Good quality WA youngster who comes in with a set back for that reason and the wet track and the fact he is badly weighted I can't have him.

6. Eskimo Queen: Good quality mare that has burned me so many times and never ever rewarded, she'll run the trip out and she'll handle the conditions without a concern very good jockey on board as well, she is one of the main contenders.

7. Marching: I am surprised he is running in this can't have him at all

8. Valedictum: he is a good old horse without any weight on his back likes the trip and the wet won't concern I can't see him winning however is a place chance though.

9. All Silent: I have a big opinion of this bloke he is the fresh horse coming from nowhere here and it might be 12 months to early for him he is a 4yo though so maybe being lightly raced might have helped him so far, Robl on board doesn't hurt his chances he rode him in his 1st 3 race starts so you would think that he would know the horse pretty well, he looks asthough the wet track won't worry him but you don't know till they get on one of these, he is one of the major contenders here IMO to much raw ability to leave out.

10. Falaise: Going in solid form but I don't think he is good enough at all to be considered here maybe a very very rough place hope.

11. Friday Creek: I doubt the track conditions suit and I really doubt he will run out the mile good luck if your backing him but he has been ridden a treat his last few and simply couldn't get there.

12. Just Mambo: No Hope IMO.

13. Molotov: Real surprised to see him here no hope

14. Forensics: Top quality youngster who is on a tear here at the moment the wet track is the real big wuery here the Flying Spur breed usually handle it a bit but the Dehere side of the dam has to put real big question marks on it may even be a slight query at the mile on a big track not sure, on a drier track she is one of the top selections but on this track with that barrier she will be pretty much coming from last and I feel that is going to be a huge feat to accomplish in those conditions tomorrow I am reluctantly leaving her out.

15. Gallant Tess: Finally drew a gate here she has a master jockey onboard who can really get that bit extra out of his horses for mine the biggest query is how much last week flattened her she had a tough tough run on heavy track and is backing up in 7 days for the 1st time otuside of that I have her included in my thoughts as I feel she'll handle the ground. I am undecided yet whether to include her in my quaddie or not, if you like her have something on her Lloyd will give you every chance.

16. Hot Danish: She draws a beatutiful gate (maybe) and drops a stack in weight from a gutsy performance last week where I would be shocked if she might of needed the run a bit (she was nearly a month between runs) Tim Clark maynot have the big race experience of alot of the other jockeys but he knows this horse better than anyone and he has had a group 1 victory just a few weeks ago which is always a weight off the mind. In my mind and I have thought this for awhile she is the one they all have to beat just to well weighted here not to like her chances especially when you consider she has carried 57kgs, 59kgs & 57kgs in her 3 runs this prep she won't know herself with 52.5kgs.

17. Pinnacles: I can't have him no good enough IMO.

18. Theseo: Once again another who I feel just isn't quite upto the mark but he like Pinnacles atleast might get through the ground.

19. Serious Speed: She is a good quality horse but I feel she has only beaten so solid ones getting here especially in Murtajill, she got the gun run last start won't get it this time by the looks Newitt will have to be at his absolute best to pull this off, Have no idea if she will handle the conditions she'll be in my quaddie I won't be backing her

20. Triple Honour: I still can't believe he lost to Weekend Hussler there a few weeks ago, his last run was ok and is drawn well here with a nice weight drop and will get a good ride from a bloke who would have to be one of the luckiest ******s alive when it comes to these races, I have a lingering doubt on this horse whether it is justified or not I have no idea but I amnot sure he is good enough to win this or not as I feel he should have hung on to win against Weekend Hussler in the Guineas obviously there is nothing at all wrong with that form but I have a doubt there and it won't go away. I will have him in my quaddy but I doubt I'll back him at all.

of the emergencies I could give place chances to God's Hand and Fighting Fund but nothing more than that.

This is my order and probably what I will box up for a percentage of a trifecta tomorrow

1. Hot Danish
2. Eskimo Queen
3. All Silent
4. Triple Honour
5. Gallant Tess
6. Serious Speed

We agree on a few things Raw :) i have Hot Danish on top
My speed map (which took me ages) has Just Mambo and Theseo going forward and leading ,,Menatlity / Friday Creek and even Marching pressing on..
Hot Danish from the inside should box seat,,,,She jumps well and can take advantage of the good barrier..I have Gallant tess trialing up behind her on the fence...Casino Prince looks to be maybe a couple back one out and this looks ideal..
Mentality / Snipers Bullet and Forensics look in danger of being trapped wide ...
Serious Speed and All Silent will be a mile back and will have to go wide ,,my guess is they wont and will look for gaps through the big field...(will need luck)

Hot Danish** Gets the gun run , good drop in weight and i think is a better horse ridden with a sit..

Casino Prince**great lead up form and seems to get through the ground,,again should get a nice run and treated well at the weights..

Gallant Tess** brave run last start ,,backs up well and again gets the good run...like the jock and will get everything out of her..

Snipers Bullet* I have no worries about distance,,needed the run last start and is ok in the wet,,,might be alittle wide if they ride him agressively but should still have cover..i like the jockey change..

Serious Speed*horse is classy and can run the distance,,,looked strong the other day but will need alot of luck but Froggy loves diving inbetween horses and this little filly will respond to this...

All Silent*ran down a couple that i think are suss over 1400m last start but still did a huge job,,,will need luck but with the speed on he'll be flying late ..

Mentality,,already have something on but the track is a worry..(miracle ??)
Eskimo Queen,,,she might be back and on the inside ,,,not keen
German Choco,,,the wet track rules him out,,hope he comes to the straddie
Megatic,,,no
Marching,,,not hopeless ,,but this race is an after thought..
Valedictum,,,he'll be real wide and the track might be best out there..place
Falaise,,,distance ?
Friday Creek,,,Distance ?? (straddie suits better)
Just Mambo,,,should lead and a great chance in the 1st4..
Molotov ,,,to wet for him...whats he doing anyway ?? send him up here
Forensics ,,will be back and wide,,going well ,,,,place
Pinnacles,,,mile back and will need a heap of luck,,,going well ..1s4's ?
Triple Honour,,,forget last run,,chance with a jock that will settle him..

Trifecta
3,15,16 / 2,9,19 / 1,8,14,20

Good lcuk all :)

Casino Prince a certainty beaten. and doesnt my pocket feel lighter :(

I didn't lose much on the race luckily i secured the good oods on the horses i liked much earlier but I must say I have never felt so disheatened by a horses effort in my life, Hot Danish was nothing short of woeful in that race she couldn't get out of her own way and to be honest on that performance yesterday for a horse with such a good record she'll be lucky to win another race.

All Silent wasn't a great run but I was always prepared to forgive him being so inexperienced.

very uninspiring.

Hot Danish did everything to plan,,exxept finish the race off,,,maybe the run with the big weight just flattened her the week before...
Casino Prince should have won ,,,(would have missed the tri anyway)
how good was pinnacles,,,Snipers Bullett was good also,,,
great race considering the state of the track,,,