2 Nov – G1 Melbourne Cup – 3200m
 

Noms / weights

No Horse Trainer Weight Penalty
1 Sans Frontieres (Ire) Jeremy Noseda 57 2.0
2 Shocking Mark Kavanagh 57
3 Metal Bender (NZ) Chris Waller 56
4 Campanologist (USA) Saeed Bin Suroor 56
5 So You Think (NZ) Bart Cummings 56
6 Zipping Robert Hickmott 55.5
7 Shoot Out John Wallace 55
8 Mr Medici (Ire) Peter Ho 55
9 Illustrious Blue (GB) William J Knight 55
10 Tokai Trick (Jpn) Kenji Nonaka 54.5
11 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre 54.5 0.5
12 Descarado (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 54 1.5
13 Monaco Consul (NZ) Michael Moroney 54
14 Profound Beauty (Ire) Dermot K Weld 54
15 Zavite (NZ) Anthony Cummings 54
16 Harris Tweed (NZ) Murray & Bjorn Baker 54
17 Master O'reilly (NZ) Danny O'Brien 54
18 C'est La Guerre (NZ) Robert Hickmott 54
19 Manighar (Fr) Luca Cumani 54
20 Buccellati (GB) Tony Noonan 54
21 Doctor Fremantle (GB) Lee Freedman 54
22 Triple Honour (NZ) Chris Waller 54
23 Bauer (Ire) Luca Cumani 53.5
24 Vigor (NZ) Danny O'Brien 53.5
25 Red Ruler (NZ) John Sargent 53.5
26 Mourayan (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5
27 Herculian Prince (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 53.5 2.0
28 Alcopop Jake Stephens 53.5
29 Holberg (UAE) Saeed Bin Suroor 53.5
30 Zabrasive (NZ) John O'Shea 53
31 Drunken Sailor (Ire) Luca Cumani 53
32 No Wine No Song Kevin Moses 53
33 Jessicabeel (NZ) John O'Shea 52.5
34 Capecover (NZ) Patrick Payne 52.5
35 Faint Perfume Bart Cummings 52
36 Linton Robert Hickmott 52 1.0
37 Precedence (NZ) Bart Cummings 52 1.5
38 Dariana Bart Cummings 51.5
39 Once Were Wild Gai Waterhouse 51.5
40 Eastern Aria (UAE) Mark Johnston 51.5 1.0
41 Above Average (Ire) Lee Freedman 51.5
42 Sterling Prince (NZ) Wayne Hillis 51
43 Moudre Ciaron Maher 51
44 Pompeyano (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 51
45 Valdemoro Tony Vasil 50
46 Persian Star Robert Smerdon 50
47 Berlioz (NZ) David Hayes 50
48 Phaze Action Robbie Laing 50
49 Get Up Jude Kevin Moses 50
50 Exceptionally (NZ) Terry & Karina O'Sullivan 50
51 Ajhar (USA) Lee Freedman 50
52 Becqu Adoree (Fr) Luca Cumani 50
53 Nothin' Leica Cat (NZ) Anthony Cummings 50
54 Maluckyday (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 50
55 Cedarberg Pat Carey 50
56 Basaltico (Ire) Bill & Symon Wilde 50
57 Mr Charlie (NZ) Peter G Moody 50
58 Rundle Robert Hickmott 50
59 Sea Galleon Colin & Cindy Alderson 50
60 Count Encosta John P Thompson 50
61 The Hombre John Bary 50
62 Avienus Mark Webb 50
63 Apprehend Tony Vasil 50
64 Right Fong David Balfour 50
65 Miles Above Denis Daffy 50
66 Montahlia (NZ) Michael Kent 50
67 Golden Charmer Dan O'Sullivan 50
68 Niptious Danny Curran 50
69 Zantelagh Mark Kavanagh 50
70 Muir (Gb) Robert Hickmott 50
71 Saint Encosta John P Thompson 50
72 Stanstill (Ire) Michael Kent 50
73 Jeuneys End Allan Fitzgerald 50
74 My Bentley (NZ) Michael Kent 50
75 Crocodile Canyon (NZ) Howard Mathews 50
76 Home On A Wing Anthony Cummings 50
77 Gothic Crown Todd Balfour 50

I'd be interested to know people's thoughts on Shoot Out after yesterday's Cox Plate. His last 3 runs have indicated to me he wants further and $21 for the Cup looks tasty at this stage. Has won to 2400m but the 3200 is always a query. In saying that I thought it was a super Cup trial.

So You Think's run was deceptive from a Cup perspective. He took off at the 800m, so as Arnold advised he was probably entitled to peak on his run before the line. Bart will have him rock hard fit with one more run in the Mackinnon and he seems to settle so beautifully these days, I'm loathe to tip against him.

Sifting through the Cup chances, I'd be wary of sacking Alcopop after one average run on a bog track in the Caulfield Cup. If he gets conditions up to slow, he'd have to be a massive chance with 53.5 kilos.

In saying all that, Shocking's run in the Caulfield Cup was MASSIVE.

Ah, the beauty of the racing game......

bart is still looking to run so you think in the mackinnon..before a melbourne cup start..

..if so..will he be flat chat in the mackinnon..?

..and how well will he back-up for the cup..potentially his 3rd start in 11 days..

I'm also interested to see how So You Think will run in the Mackinnon and especially where he will settle in the run. Bart's team said 'he's won every race this prep that we've set him for'. Will they simply give him a training run in the Mackinnon and we see him 'get held up at a vital stage'? Class may still prevail, though I very much doubt Bart would want to have him sitting on the speed if they do go ******** for leather up front.

Very, very interesting...

..corey brown reckons that shoot out is crying out for flemington & the 2 miles..

I feel the same way. His best runs have always been on a big track. Came home well in the Cox considering the fast last 600m. He just seems to love racing Shoot Out, & Im convinced the High Chapperals will run the distance.

3rd declarations
 

In alphabetical order

1 Above Average (IRE) (Lee Freedman)
2 Alcopop (Jake Stephens)
3 Americain (USA) (Alain de Royer Dupre)
4 Bauer (IRE) (Luca Cumani)
5 Buccellati (GB) (Tony Noonan)
6 C'est La Guerre (NZ) (Robert Hickmott)
7 Campanologist (USA) (Saeed Bin Suroor)
8 Capecover (NZ) (Patrick Payne)
9 Cedarberg (Pat Carey)
10 Count Encosta (John P Thompson)
11 Dariana (Bart Cummings)
12 Descarado (NZ) (Gai Waterhouse)
13 Drunken Sailor (IRE) (Luca Cumani)
14 Eastern Aria (UAE) (Mark Johnston)
15 Exceptionally (NZ) ( Terry & Karina O'Sullivan)
16 Faint Perfume (Bart Cummings)
17 Gothic Crown (Todd Balfour)
18 Harris Tweed (NZ) ( Murray & Bjorn Baker)
19 Herculian Prince (NZ) (Gai Waterhouse)
20 Holberg (UAE) (Saeed Bin Suroor)
21 Illustrious Blue (GB) (William J Knight)
22 Jessicabeel (NZ) (John O'Shea)
23 Linton (Robert Hickmott)
24 Maluckyday (NZ) ( Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes)
25 Manighar (FR) (Luca Cumani)
26 Master O'Reilly (NZ) (Danny O'Brien)
27 Metal Bender (NZ) (Chris Waller)
28 Monaco Consul (NZ) (Michael Moroney)
29 Moudre (Ciaron Maher)
30 Mourayan (IRE) (Robert Hickmott)
31 Mr Charlie (NZ) (Peter G Moody)
32 Mr Medici (IRE) (Peter Ho)
33 My Bentley (NZ) (Michael Kent)
34 No Wine No Song (Kevin Moses)
35 Once Were Wild (Gai Waterhouse)
36 Precedence (NZ) (Bart Cummings)
37 Profound Beauty (IRE) (Dermot K Weld)
38 Red Ruler (NZ) (John Sargent)
39 Sea Galleon ( Colin & Cindy Alderson)
40 Shocking (Mark Kavanagh)
41 Shoot Out (John Wallace)
42 So You Think (NZ) (Bart Cummings)
43 Stanstill (IRE) (Michael Kent)
44 Tokai Trick (JPN) (Kenji Nonaka)
45 Valdemoro (Tony Vasil)
46 Zavite (NZ) (Anthony Cummings)
47 Zipping (Robert Hickmott)

I took $31 e/w a couple of weeks back for shoot out for the cup thought that looked good value at the time I also put on a little $10 e/w bet on cedarberg today at $331 I know he has a tough chance making the field but if he does there are worse chances out there that is for sure

I meant to mention I still feel that Monaco Consul is a chance in the race his run in the coalfield cup was good took off 1000 from home and was well and truly entitled to die on his run won't take the $19 on offer right as I reckon better will be on offer race day but definitely worth an e/w ticket

shocking has to be a huge chance but what about linton only lightly raced and under robert hickmott whos team is flying at the moment amercain is unbeaten for last four not a bad run in geelong cup 1st up from a spell overseas dont know about so you think has he got enough miles this prep for 2 miles against proven stayers

lay him at your peril!!
just remember who trains it, would not be running if bart wasnt confident of it getting 2 miles.

I still believe will be in the Cup and will be a bg chance. I like Shoot out too and Zipping together with Shocking.

Latest betting
 

Horse Win Place
Shocking 4.20 1.80
So You Think 5.00 2.00
Americain 10.00 3.20
Manighar 14.00 4.20
Descarado 15.00 4.40
Precedence 16.00 4.70
Profound Beauty 18.00 5.00
Shoot Out 18.00 5.00
Zipping 18.00 5.00
Monaco Consul 21.00 6.00
Harris Tweed 26.00 7.00
Bauer 31.00 8.50
Dariana 34.00 9.00
Alcopop 35.00 9.50
Faint Perfume 35.00 9.50
Mr Medici 35.00 9.50
Illustrious Blue 41.00 11.00
Linton 41.00 11.00
Metal Bender 41.00 11.00
Tokai Trick 41.00 11.00
Campanologist 51.00 13.00
Holberg 51.00 13.00
Once Were Wild 51.00 11.00
C`est la Guerre 61.00 16.00
Herculian Prince 61.00 16.00
Jessicabeel 61.00 16.00
Maluckyday 61.00 16.00
Zavite 61.00 16.00
Moudre 81.00 21.00
Drunken Sailor 101.00 26.00
Eastern Aria 101.00 26.00
Mourayan 101.00 26.00
Above Average 151.00 41.00
Cedarberg 151.00 41.00
Exceptionally 151.00 41.00
Master O`Reilly 151.00 41.00
Buccellati 201.00 51.00
Capecover 201.00 51.00
Count Encosta 201.00 51.00
Red Ruler 201.00 51.00
Mr Charlie 301.00 71.00
No Wine No Song 301.00 71.00
Valdemoro 301.00 71.00
Gothic Crown 501.00 126.00
My Bentley 501.00 126.00
Sea Galleon 501.00 126.00
Stanstill 501.00 126.00

Final
 

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Weight
1 Shocking Mark Kavanagh Michael Rodd 57
2 Campanologist (USA) Saeed Bin Suroor Kerrin McEvoy 56
3 So You Think (NZ) Bart Cummings Steven Arnold 56
4 Zipping Robert Hickmott Nick Hall 55.5
5 Illustrious Blue (GB) William J Knight Glen Boss 55
6 Mr Medici (Ire) Peter Ho Darren Beadman 55
7 Shoot Out John Wallace Corey Brown 55
8 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre Gerard Mosse 54.5
9 Tokai Trick (Jpn) Kenji Nonaka Shinji Fujita 54.5
10 Buccellati (GB) Tony Noonan Steven King 54
11 Descarado (NZ) Gai Waterhouse Nash Rawiller 54
12 Harris Tweed (NZ) Murray & Bjorn Baker Brad Rawiller 54
13 Manighar (Fr) Luca Cumani Damien Oliver 54
14 Master O'reilly (NZ) Danny O'Brien Vlad Duric 54
15 Monaco Consul (NZ) Michael Moroney TBA 54
16 Profound Beauty (Ire) Dermot K Weld Pat Smullen 54
17 Zavite (NZ) Anthony Cummings Michael Walker 54
18 Bauer (Ire) Luca Cumani Chris Munce 53.5
19 Holberg (UAE) Saeed Bin Suroor Frankie Detorri 53.5
20 Precedence (NZ) Bart Cummings Blake Shinn 53.5
21 Red Ruler (NZ) John Sargent Mark Du Plessis 53.5
22 Linton Robert Hickmott Brett Prebble 52
23 Once Were Wild Gai Waterhouse Jim Cassidy 51.5
24 Maluckyday (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes TBA 51

Final with barriers
 

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 Shocking Mark Kavanagh Michael Rodd 24 57
2 Campanologist (USA) Saeed Bin Suroor Kerrin McEvoy 19 56
3 So You Think (NZ) Bart Cummings Steven Arnold 3 56
4 Zipping Robert Hickmott Nick Hall 16 55.5
5 Illustrious Blue (GB) William J Knight Glen Boss 9 55
6 Mr Medici (Ire) Peter Ho Darren Beadman 5 55
7 Shoot Out John Wallace Corey Brown 17 55
8 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre Gerard Mosse 12 54.5
9 Tokai Trick (Jpn) Kenji Nonaka Shinji Fujita 4 54.5
10 Buccellati (GB) Tony Noonan Steven King 21 54
11 Descarado (NZ) Gai Waterhouse Nash Rawiller 1 54
12 Harris Tweed (NZ) Murray & Bjorn Baker Brad Rawiller 13 54
13 Manighar (Fr) Luca Cumani Damien Oliver 20 54
14 Master O'reilly (NZ) Danny O'Brien Vlad Duric 18 54
15 Monaco Consul (NZ) Michael Moroney TBA 14 54
16 Profound Beauty (Ire) Dermot K Weld Pat Smullen 22 54
17 Zavite (NZ) Anthony Cummings Michael Walker 7 54
18 Bauer (Ire) Luca Cumani Chris Munce 2 53.5
19 Holberg (UAE) Saeed Bin Suroor Frankie Detorri 10 53.5
20 Precedence (NZ) Bart Cummings Blake Shinn 15 53.5
21 Red Ruler (NZ) John Sargent Mark Du Plessis 8 53.5
22 Linton Robert Hickmott Brett Prebble 23 52
23 Once Were Wild Gai Waterhouse Jim Cassidy 11 51.5
24 Maluckyday (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes TBA 6 51

They still have to find a way to beat So You Think tuesday we'll see what happens I doubt he will be any value at all and doubt I'll back it but I certainly won't be cheering against it if he wins he is a freak and so far he looks it.

I dont think he (SYT) can win from barrier 3 with 24 horses well I should say hard for him to win as an off pacer. He will be trap in the 23 horses. With Shocking at 24, another thouch one to win. Dont be suurprise if Shoot Out comes out as a winner. I am going for Harris or Manighar.

Matilda

as i have said previously I am on Shoot Out already happy to be there Monaco Consul is one i will definitely back on the day and Maluckyday is intriguing after today. Still if So You Think stays anywhere near the trip they can't beat him he is a weighted certainty if you consider right now if the weights were done after today he would have atleast around the 60kg mark.

I'll be cheering for what i back but unlike in the past if this bloke wins I certainly won't begrudge him that how many horses get the chance to win 2 Cox Plates, Mackinnon, Underwood and Caulfield Stakes and not to mention 5 million in prize money in 11 starts and then have the chance of winning a Melbourne Cup at start 12 with 56kgs on his back he is thrown in at the weights and if you like anything else you want him there cause he will bring value to everything else.

Holberg is the one, go you good thing, still cant believe he got into the field!

Current betting
 

Horse Win Place
So You Think 3.60 1.65
Shocking 7.50 2.60
Maluckyday 8.00 2.70
Americain 12.00 3.70
Descarado 13.00 4.00
Precedence 18.00 5.00
Linton 18.00 5.00
Manighar 19.00 5.50
Harris Tweed 21.00 6.00
Monaco Consul 21.00 6.00
Holberg 21.00 6.00
Zipping 26.00 7.00
Shoot Out 26.00 7.00
Profound Beauty 26.00 7.00
Once Were Wild 26.00 7.00
Illustrious Blue 51.00 13.00
Mr Medici 51.00 13.00
Bauer 61.00 16.00
Campanologist 71.00 18.00
Tokai Trick 81.00 21.00
Zavite 126.00 31.00
Master O`Reilly 201.00 51.00
Buccellati 251.00 61.00
Red Ruler 301.00 71.00

i thought bauer had retired..but obviously not!
..backed him when he just got pipped..2008 cup..

syt if he can settle will win by 5 lengths

Stablemate not without a chance as well

what do you guys think of once were wild chances? huge run in the lexus

I am better staying out of an opinion on waterhouses horse such is my hatred for the woman. Probably be worth a place ticket be very shocked it went near winning the race to be honest

Jimbob Ive got two pre post tickets on the race and they are Holberg ($331 put on at about 1230 yesterday when horses in the field started dropping like flies) and Once Were Wild ($151), I thought her run yesterday was as good if not beter than Maluckyday. If she isnt chasing a run away leader she should look some hope in the straight with her low weight.
Ill be stoked if either just run a place but a win would be unreal.

I can't see a stack of speed up front in this , So you think will possie up just behind Descarado and just sprint to quick for them.
maluckyday was awesome yesterday but is so immature , I have a nice ticket on him but i worry if the track is a total bog.

Just 2 runs since that race,,did nothing,,surprised it's back for another tilt!

should settle ok..looks to be plenty of speed..getting a strong 2 mile looks the only challenge..

Don't mind Americain
All the better for his Geelong Cup win
Has wet form as well

So You Think.

I took some photos at the track yesterday of So You Think in the parade ring if anyone would like me to email them.

Yea that would be awesome email is bears34@bigpond.net.au

No worries.

One of his eyes was dead-set bloodshot. He looked possessed. AWESOME!!

I'll email tomorrow night. I'm just recharging the camera battery.

Was on Harris Tweed last year,,thought hoop went a bit early,,hoping for better luck this year

I wish i had the time to do a write up i don't unfortunately so here goes with my top 5 tips anyway

1. Shoot Out
2. Holberg
3. So You Think
4. Monaco Consul
5. Maluckyday

that is sort of an order I'll box the 5 of them for a trifecta today see how that goes good luck to all

The trifecta and 1st 4's are always nice in the cup

So You think
Maluckyday / Shocking / Monco Consul / Zipping
Shoot out / Linton / Descarado/ American

I'm having trouble with just about all the bookmaker sites , typical Melbourne Cup day :(

I've been trying to get on to IAS for about an hour now without any luck.
I't annoying the crap out of me. I'll keep at it a little longer as I don't really want to go to the TAB and stand in a long queue behind the once a year punters (that will annoy me even more!).

Mav, u should not have a prob now. 30 minutes ago was due to jockey changed for Precedence.

My Tips for Tri :
Taking risk for better return.....

Shocking, Zipping, Shoot Out, Americian, Harris Tweed,Linton and MaLuckyday.

Ias was playing up way before Zabaurin had a stack , probably there garunteed money back special cluttering the system.

Still slow now.